Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[ChristineES]

Its wonderful how many excuses Christians bring up to support their worship of Sun-Day, where there is nothing in their bible that says they should worship Sun-Day.

It's been explained. They do it on Sunday because that's the day Jesus (Yeshua) (we believe) rose from the dead. I am not saying it's correct to do it, but that is the explanation of why they do.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It is very interesting that those who say the ten commandments were done away with still think it is wrong to murder someone. It is wrong to steal or commit adultery. Actually the only commandment they think we do not need to follow is the one about the Sabbath day. And Jesus said " if you love me, keep my commandments."

 

[psychoslice]

It's been explained. They do it on Sunday because that's the day Jesus (Yeshua) (we believe) rose from the dead. I am not saying it's correct to do it, but that is the explanation of why they do.

Yes I knew that, and it doesn't make it right, and yet they will argue about everything else.

 

[ChristineES]

Yes I knew that, and it doesn't make it right, and yet they will argue about everything else.

I learned a long time ago that arguing with someone is fruitless. The best we can do is say what we believe, and if we believe we are correct, hope that the listener will hear, at least, what we say. Sabbath is Saturday, and The Lord's Day is Sunday is the way I, personally, state it.

 

[psychoslice]

It is very interesting that those who say the ten commandments were done away with still think it is wrong to murder someone. It is wrong to steal or commit adultery. Actually the only commandment they think we do not need to follow is the one about the Sabbath day. And Jesus said " if you love me, keep my commandments."

Yes but he also said

I learned a long time ago that arguing with someone is fruitless. The best we can do is say what we believe, and if we believe we are correct, hope that the listener will hear, at least, what we say. Sabbath is Saturday, and The Lord's Day is Sunday is the way I, personally, state it.

Yes I agree, and yet they believe in the ten commandments which says to keep the Sabbath Holy.

 

[ChristineES]

Yes but he also said

Yes I agree, and yet they believe in the ten commandments which says to keep the Sabbath Holy.

It really makes no sense to me that people follow the Ten Commandments, yet say that one of them is invalid. I couldn't agree less. If the other nine commandments are valid to you, then why wouldn't the Sabbath be valid?

 

[psychoslice]

It really makes no sense to me that people follow the Ten Commandments, yet say that one of them is invalid. I couldn't agree less. If the other nine commandments are valid to you, then why wouldn't the Sabbath be valid?

Exactly, and yet they think their following God's every word lol.

 

[WALL]

Jesus said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Simply put, there is no requirement that God puts upon anyone of any creed in this matter. If the Sabbath is to be observed, it should be out of a genuine desire to do so rather than a fulfillment of obligation.

Yeah. Jesus said He made the sabbath day rest for man. So why in the world would man go lookin for another day of rest? Dont make any sence.

 

[WALL]

Jesus said he "came only for the Jews", although it appears that near the end of his life he opened the door for the "God-Fearers" (gentiles who worshiped "the God of Abraham").

Yes. So what does it mean to fear the Lord according to the written Word.

DEUT. 6 [1] Now THESE ARE THE COMMANDMENTS, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [2] THAT THOU MIGHTEST FEAR THE LORD THY GOD, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

PSALM 111 [10] The FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: his praise endureth for ever.

PROVERBS 1 [7] THE FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. [8] My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and FORSAKE NOT THE LAW of thy mother:[9] For they shall be an ornament of GRACE unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

Heres a great scripture. Forsake not the law. Fear the Lord, get wisdom and receive His grace.

DEUT. 4 [10] Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, THAT THEY MAY LEARN TO FEAR ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. [11] And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

 

[james2ko]

Who are these Jews dispersed among the Gentile nations in 1Peter 1:1?

They could be from the Acts 8:1 who “were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.” and by Chapter 11 of Acts from Judea and Samaria they “traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews. –Acts 11:9”.

Is it possible some of the Jews went farther up north into the Asia Minor, in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia -1St Peter 1:1, where Peter sent his epistle? Yes!

1. Then it would be just as possible for the descendants of the ten tribes, who lost their identity, and were thoroughly sifted among the nations [goyim-gentiles] (Amo 9:9) to have been in the same area , right?

Peter was preaching there. Remember in Gal 2:7 “They saw that God had given me the responsibility of preaching the Good News to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of preaching to the Jews.”

2. It is evidently not meant here that Paul was to preach only to the gentiles and Peter only to the Jews , for Paul often preached in synagogues with both Jews and gentiles, and Peter was the first who preached to a "gentile" (Acts 10); but it is meant that it was the main business of Paul to preach to the gentiles, or that this was especially entrusted to him.

Were they the Babylonian exile? No! Babylon is on the lower east side of Jerusalem while Asia Minor is up to the North of Jerusalem. The Babylonian Empire did not conquer Asia Minor and Macedonia.

3. Paul and Peter preaching in different regions of Galatia is a moot point in our context. Peter makes a reference to Hos 1:10:2:23 in referring to his audience as those “who once were not a people but are now the people of God” and shared the same status as their forefathers who were deemed a chosen generation, royal priesthood, and holy nation (Ex 19:6;1 Pet 2:9-10). Paul refers to the same Hosean scriptures in Rom 9:25-26 directing it to his audience of “gentiles” living in Rome.

Hosea was a prophet sent to the Northern 10 tribes (Hos 1:4,6) who, in the 1st century, were dispersed in Galatia and other parts of the Empire, living as "strangers". These are the "gentiles" Peter and Paul are addressing, fulfilling the New Covenant promise (Jer 31:31-33) to the house of Israel--the ten Northern tribes! Notice the status once held by these dispersed pilgrims/strangers in Asia Minor you claim are Jews:

1 Pet 4:3 It is quite enough to have done as pagans choose to do, during the time gone by! You used to lead lives of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation and illicit idolatry, (Moffatt)
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It is highly unlikely the Jewish congregants would have once led a life of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation, and idolatry without being killed (remember Stephen?).

But the Greek-speaking, dispersed, house of Israel, who lost their status as God's people, and were promised redemption in the state and place where we find them in the 1st century (Hos 1:10), would have. As prophesied by Hosea and confirmed by Peter, and Paul:

Hos 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There it shall be said to them, 'You are sons of the living God

Hos 2:23 Then I will sow her [house of Israel] for Myself in the earth, And I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy; Then I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they shall say, 'You are my God!' "

1Pe 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:25-26 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED." 26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

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Notice Hosea 1:10 states they cannot be measured or numbered. That's true in quantity as well as quality. If they cannot be identified (quality), then it stands to reason they cannot be numbered. For me, there's only one conclusion and it all lines up with scripture. The gentiles to whom the apostles were sent were the lost descendants of Jacob, who by then were a mixed multitude living as gentile Romans, Greeks, etc., unawares of their ancestral identity, just as I was, and perhaps you and others on this forum who love the LORD.

 

[JM2C]

1. Then it would be just as possible for the descendants of the ten tribes, who lost their identity, and were thoroughly sifted among the nations [goyim-gentiles] (Amo 9:9) to have been in the same area , right?



2. It is evidently not meant here that Paul was to preach only to the gentiles and Peter only to the Jews , for Paul often preached in synagogues with both Jews and gentiles, and Peter was the first who preached to a "gentile" (Acts 10); but it is meant that it was the main business of Paul to preach to the gentiles, or that this was especially entrusted to him.



3. Paul and Peter preaching in different regions of Galatia is a moot point in our context. Peter makes a reference to Hos 1:10:2:23 in referring to his audience as those “who once were not a people but are now the people of God” and shared the same status as their forefathers who were deemed a chosen generation, royal priesthood, and holy nation (Ex 19:6;1 Pet 2:9-10). Paul refers to the same Hosean scriptures in Rom 9:25-26 directing it to his audience of “gentiles” living in Rome.

Hosea was a prophet sent to the Northern 10 tribes (Hos 1:4,6) who, in the 1st century, were dispersed in Galatia and other parts of the Empire, living as "strangers". These are the "gentiles" Peter and Paul are addressing, fulfilling the New Covenant promise (Jer 31:31-33) to the house of Israel--the ten Northern tribes! Notice the status once held by these dispersed pilgrims/strangers in Asia Minor you claim are Jews:

1 Pet 4:3 It is quite enough to have done as pagans choose to do, during the time gone by! You used to lead lives of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation and illicit idolatry, (Moffatt)
​

It is highly unlikely the Jewish congregants would have once led a life of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation, and idolatry without being killed (remember Stephen?).

But the Greek-speaking, dispersed, house of Israel, who lost their status as God's people, and were promised redemption in the state and place where we find them in the 1st century (Hos 1:10), would have. As prophesied by Hosea and confirmed by Peter, and Paul:

Hos 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There it shall be said to them, 'You are sons of the living God

Hos 2:23 Then I will sow her [house of Israel] for Myself in the earth, And I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy; Then I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they shall say, 'You are my God!' "

1Pe 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:25-26 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED." 26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

​

Notice Hosea 1:10 states they cannot be measured or numbered. That's true in quantity as well as quality. If they cannot be identified (quality), then it stands to reason they cannot be numbered. For me, there's only one conclusion and it all lines up with scripture. The gentiles to whom the apostles were sent were the lost descendants of Jacob, who by then were a mixed multitude living as gentile Romans, Greeks, etc., unawares of their ancestral identity, just as I was, and perhaps you and others on this forum who love the LORD.

Good to hear from you again.

 

[metis]

Yes. So what does it mean to fear the Lord according to the written Word.

DEUT. 6 [1] Now THESE ARE THE COMMANDMENTS, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [2] THAT THOU MIGHTEST FEAR THE LORD THY GOD, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

PSALM 111 [10] The FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: his praise endureth for ever.

PROVERBS 1 [7] THE FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. [8] My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and FORSAKE NOT THE LAW of thy mother:[9] For they shall be an ornament of GRACE unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

Heres a great scripture. Forsake not the law. Fear the Lord, get wisdom and receive His grace.

DEUT. 4 [10] Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, THAT THEY MAY LEARN TO FEAR ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. [11] And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

There are 613 Commandments as found in Torah, which you can access and see which verses they are at the Judaism 101 website. Either that or start reading Exodus right after Moses received the Decalogue and continue reading to the end of Deuteronomy.

And, btw, Moses makes it clear that these Laws are all from God.

 

[WALL]

There are 613 Commandments as found in Torah, which you can access and see which verses they are at the Judaism 101 website.

DEUT. 4 [10] Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, THAT THEY MAY LEARN TO FEAR ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. [11] And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Theres only TEN here and they lead to fear

 

[metis]

DEUT. 4 [10] Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, THAT THEY MAY LEARN TO FEAR ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. [11] And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Theres only TEN here and they lead to fear

OK, I'm going to make it real simple for you. All you have to do is to click on this link and you'll see what and where the 613 Laws are: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

If you're not willing to look at this, and if you're not willing to accept what's found in Torah, and if you're not willing to accept the Laws that Torah states are from God, then what do you accept?

 

[WALL]

OK, I'm going to make it real simple for you. All you have to do is to click on this link and you'll see what and where the 613 Laws are: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

If you're not willing to look at this, and if you're not willing to accept what's found in Torah, and if you're not willing to accept the Laws that Torah states are from God, then what do you accept?

Only the written Word Metis

 

[metis]

Only the written Word Metis

If you had gotten off your lazy butt to actually check it out, it is found in the "written Word" called "Torah" that's found in a larger book called the "Bible". You should maybe read them sometime.

 

[JM2C]

1. Then it would be just as possible for the descendants of the ten tribes, who lost their identity, and were thoroughly sifted among the nations [goyim-gentiles] (Amo 9:9) to have been in the same area , right?



2. It is evidently not meant here that Paul was to preach only to the gentiles and Peter only to the Jews , for Paul often preached in synagogues with both Jews and gentiles, and Peter was the first who preached to a "gentile" (Acts 10); but it is meant that it was the main business of Paul to preach to the gentiles, or that this was especially entrusted to him.



3. Paul and Peter preaching in different regions of Galatia is a moot point in our context. Peter makes a reference to Hos 1:10:2:23 in referring to his audience as those “who once were not a people but are now the people of God” and shared the same status as their forefathers who were deemed a chosen generation, royal priesthood, and holy nation (Ex 19:6;1 Pet 2:9-10). Paul refers to the same Hosean scriptures in Rom 9:25-26 directing it to his audience of “gentiles” living in Rome.

Hosea was a prophet sent to the Northern 10 tribes (Hos 1:4,6) who, in the 1st century, were dispersed in Galatia and other parts of the Empire, living as "strangers". These are the "gentiles" Peter and Paul are addressing, fulfilling the New Covenant promise (Jer 31:31-33) to the house of Israel--the ten Northern tribes! Notice the status once held by these dispersed pilgrims/strangers in Asia Minor you claim are Jews:

1 Pet 4:3 It is quite enough to have done as pagans choose to do, during the time gone by! You used to lead lives of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation and illicit idolatry, (Moffatt)
​

It is highly unlikely the Jewish congregants would have once led a life of sensuality, lust, carousing, revelry, dissipation, and idolatry without being killed (remember Stephen?).

But the Greek-speaking, dispersed, house of Israel, who lost their status as God's people, and were promised redemption in the state and place where we find them in the 1st century (Hos 1:10), would have. As prophesied by Hosea and confirmed by Peter, and Paul:

Hos 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There it shall be said to them, 'You are sons of the living God

Hos 2:23 Then I will sow her [house of Israel] for Myself in the earth, And I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy; Then I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they shall say, 'You are my God!' "

1Pe 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:25-26 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED." 26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

​

Notice Hosea 1:10 states they cannot be measured or numbered. That's true in quantity as well as quality. If they cannot be identified (quality), then it stands to reason they cannot be numbered. For me, there's only one conclusion and it all lines up with scripture. The gentiles to whom the apostles were sent were the lost descendants of Jacob, who by then were a mixed multitude living as gentile Romans, Greeks, etc., unawares of their ancestral identity, just as I was, and perhaps you and others on this forum who love the LORD.

RO 9:24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Paul applies Hosea’s prophecy to the Gentiles also [through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ] by means of grafting [see Romans 11]

“New Covenant promise (Jer 31:31-33) to the house of Israel--the ten Northern tribes!” “and with the house of Judah”. Yes, this New Covenant was for the Jews only, but Romans 11 implies that Gentiles were grafted into this New Covenant as well [see 2nd Cor 3:7-18] and these Gentiles were not the “10 lost tribes of Israel” that you were talking about. These Gentiles are not from the 12 tribe of Israel.

The Babylonian exile diluted the purity of the 12 tribes of Israel. IOW, during the Diaspora, the Jews were marrying or interbreeding with the Gentiles and therefore un-preserving the racial purity of the Semitic people or they are being hybridized. The black/Jew, Chinese/Jew, and Spanish/Jew were proselytes to Judaism. You can tell the Black/Jews, Chinese/Jews, and Spanish/Jews have some physical similarities with their Gentiles host-countries. They adapted the religion, i.e., Judaism, but that does not make them semitically Jews or genetically related to the 12 tribes of Israel.

Let’s say for example 100 years ago a white skinned Chinese woman married a dark skinned man and at that time converted to Judaism. Naturally their kids would have a semi dark skinned. Now, today when we see a semi dark skinned person with some Chinese descent or traits we would assumed then that this person is from the 10 lost tribe of Israel because their religion is Judaism that they inherited from the their great grandparents who were white skinned Chinese woman and dark skinned.

 

[rstrats]

Prophet,
re: " If the Sabbath is to be observed, it should be out of a genuine desire to do so rather than a fulfillment of obligation."


And the corollary: If the adultery proscription is to be observed, it should be out of a genuine desire to do so rather than a fulfillment of obligation.

 

[rstrats]

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[WALL]

If you had gotten off your lazy butt to actually check it out, it is found in the "written Word" called "Torah" that's found in a larger book called the "Bible". You should maybe read them sometime.

You seem to believe you know everything. Maybe you can help me.

COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

What is scripture above talking about?

Love Lazy Butt