Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[metis]

Isaiah 56:6 refers to the "foreigners" (Gentiles), which would include the "Christians". As for people eating meals on the first day of the week, I am sure you can find references were they ate on all 7 days of the week. The official changing of the day of rest was done by Constantine in 321 AD. Sunday was the day of the sun, the day of Constantine's pagan god Sol Invictus. It was Constantine who estabilished the "Christian" church and its pagan traditions at his Council of Nicaea, in the year 325 AD. This included the day for keeping the pagan feast of Astarte (Easter) and the birthdate of the sun god (Sol Invictus), which was 25 December.

It was considered a blessing but not a requirement per se for gentiles with the exception that there can be times whereas it may be required, such as with mixed Jewish/gentile company. Also, it appears that you are unfamiliar with the "agape meal", which was not one that they ate the other six days of the week, and you might check out the Didache about that and why it was significant.

Also, as I mentioned previously, we well know that the transition was made in the 2nd century: "In the 2nd century AD, the observance of a corporate day of worship on the first day (Sunday) had become commonplace, as attested in the patristic writings...". -- Sabbath in Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Yes]

yep all according to the liar and the murderer and self proclaimed apostle Paul who taught a satanic false doctrine leding countless to hell with him

You blasphemy a chosen from God. Instead of you humbling yourself and think you might just not understand Paul---you rather condemn Paul.

It will not go well for you.

 

[JM2C]

Then you should have no problem copying and re-posting your reply to these specific questions. Mi amigo.

What is the lingua franca at that time?

 

[james2ko]

What is the lingua franca at that time?

Its obvious you are ignoring my request because an answer would expose the lie many Christians have been taught to believe for millennia. Christ will reveal the truth to everyone when He returns. Thanks for the convo.

 

[Yes]

We'll just have to disagree -though I should point out that you did not actually answer the question (Then why will the whole world keep the feast of tabernacles?)

The whole new world will be keeping Jesus Christ.

You can't be in Christ if you do not obey the law -and keeping the holy days is part of the first commandment -not to mention the specific commandment about the weekly sabbath.

You do not fully understand what fulfilled means. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, and all the ceremonial works of the law that the Jews used to have to do to make themselves clean just to worship God.

All those does were about Jesus. Jesus came and now those days are nothing.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Paul is speaking about the rest of the law. There are ceremonial laws, and there are other laws!

I strongly suggest you reconsider teaching that people should not keep the commandments of God.

The CEREMONIAL laws are now worthless. Being ceremonially clean means to do certain things so that one could be clean to go to the temple to worship God.

Observing the Sabbath and other special days KEPT ONE CEREMONIALLY CLEAN.

Only Jesus' blood makes us clean now, and we are not to observe special days, we are to observe Jesus all day every day.

Matt 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

God NAILED the rules and regulations to the cross. The ceremonial works of the law are the rules and regulations, as are the punishment laws.

Jesus is our Sabbath Rest. Faith in Jesus' blood makes us clean. We are not automatically cut off from God if we sin, for we can find mercy and forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

I Cor 5:8
…7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

The Christians celebrated in remembrance the Lord's Supper. It is where they had the 'love feasts'.

Jude 1:12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm--shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted--twice dead.[/QUOTE]

 

[Yes]

Its obvious you are ignoring my request because an answer would expose the lie many Christians have been taught to believe for millennia. Christ will reveal the truth to everyone when He returns. Thanks for the convo.

YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING WHAT JESUS SAYS.

Jesus REVEALS his truth to us even now. Jesus reveals himself, the TRUTH, then and now. Jesus reveals the truth to those who get his teachings and obeys them.

See John 14:21 NET.

 

[james2ko]

YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING WHAT JESUS SAYS.

Jesus REVEALS his truth to us even now. Jesus reveals himself, the TRUTH, then and now. Jesus reveals the truth to those who get his teachings and obeys them.

See John 14:21 NET.

Since you seem to have "the truth" , I'm sure you have an answer for my ignored request from JM2C:

Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews? Also, I would like for you to tell me how you interpret this passage:

Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?
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Who is the "dispersion" and who are the Greeks?

 

[Yes]

Since you seem to have "the truth" , I'm sure you have an answer for my ignored request from JM2C:

Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews?

Please, listen carefully, it no longer matters about the dispersed. The dispersed and all Israel are those who were blood related to Abraham See these scriptures:

The Israelites were chosen because they were blood related to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Deuteronomy 7:8But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 4:37
Because he loved your ancestors and chose their descendants after them, he brought you out of Egypt by his Presence and his great strength,

Deuteronomy 9:5 It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Micah 7:20You will be faithful to Jacob, and show love to Abraham, as you pledged on oath to our ancestors in days long ago. The ANCESTORS of the Israelites are ABRAHAM, ISAAC, and JACOB.

Also, I would like for you to tell me how you interpret this passage:

Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?
​

Who is the "dispersion" and who are the Greeks?

We could discuss the dispersion, as those who rejected Jesus did; or, we can discuss God's Truth about how salvation is NO LONGER about those who are BLOOD RELATED, as those of the dispersion are.

John 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Did you read that? NOT of natural descent. That is about BLOOD RELATIVES. All the Israelites, including the dispersed---are blood related to Abraham.

We are NOT saved anymore according to whom we are blood related.

So then, do not worry about if you have Jew blood in you, for those ENDLESS GENEOLOGIES ARE WORTHLESS.

1 Timothy 1:4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God's work--which is by faith.

We are saved by FAITH, and not by whom we are blood related.

 

[BummerBeavis]

You blasphemy a chosen from God. Instead of you humbling yourself and think you might just not understand Paul---you rather condemn Paul.

It will not go well for you.

it is not blasphemy. furthermore if you can refute my position then do so. also do you keep the 10 commandments?

 

[Etritonakin]

The Sabbaths were about what was coming. The Sabbaths were a teaching tool. The Sabbaths were a shadow. The reality is found in Jesus Christ. Observing special days is nothing anymore. Jesus is all that matters.

That is very wrong and very dangerous!

"Jesus" is NOT all that matters -and even Jesus said so!

Christ did have the authority to change JUDGMENTS concerning how to deal with transgressions -stoning, sacrifice, etc. -and did so -but he did NOT do away with THE LAW -or the requirement to keep it -which includes the weekly and annual sabbaths. HOW they were observed changed -but not THAT they were to be observed. Twist it all you like, but you're wrong and are making what he taught meaningless.

You seem to be saying that the sabbath is THE LEAST OF THE COMMANDMENTS -and are TEACHING THAT IT NEED NOT BE OBSERVED.
Are there any other you would like to nullify?
The whole world will not be keeping Jesus Christ -the whole world will be keeping the feast of tabernacles -as God the father has instructed through the word who became flesh FROM THE BEGINNING -or they will receive no rain.

If you do not keep the sabbath and the holy days of God -and all of the other commandments -you are not keeping Christ! You are disobeying God, the Father and Christ!

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The above in no way says we are not to keep God's holy days -but that we are not to judge us regarding them.
The fact that he blotted out our trespasses does not mean we are not free TO CONTINUE TO TRESPASS.
The above speaks of men's doctrines and commandments IN REGARD to God's commandments -and judgments concerning how things were observed -not God's commandments themselves -not THAT things should not be observed.


THE FATHER -and doing the will of the Father -matters much more than JESUS -ACCORDING TO JESUS.

Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.*
*G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.


Another question -WHY WOULD CHRIST TELL PEOPLE -CONCERNING AN EVENT WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED EVEN YET -TO PRAY THAT THEIR FLIGHT NOT BE ON THE SABBATH DAY?

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Yes]

it is not blasphemy. furthermore if you can refute my position then do so. also do you keep the 10 commandments?

I can easily show you the truth, but you will not listen.

We have to obey the ten commandments, but our obedience to the Sabbath is fulfilled when we observe Jesus.

Special days were teaching tools, a shadow of Jesus. Jesus is now here, and there are no more shadows in the Lord.

 

[Etritonakin]

"We have to obey the ten commandments, but our obedience to the Sabbath is fulfilled when we observe Jesus."

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a LIE! We observe Jesus by doing what he said -what the Father wills -which is keeping the sabbath commandment.

The bold is obnoxious -I realize that -but this is very important!!!!

The MARK OF THE BEAST has very much to do with the law -rather -with not keeping the law and teaching that it need not be kept!

Notice where God's mark/sign is to be......

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt

GOD'S LAW IS TO BE IN THE FOREHEAD AND HAND -in what you THINK AND BELIEVE -and IN WHAT YOU DO.

Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Deu 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deu 11:19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 11:20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
Deu 11:21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
Deu 11:22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;
Deu 11:23 Then will the LORD drive out all these nations from before you, and ye shall possess greater nations and mightier than yourselves

The LAW -and NOT KEEPING IT -has much to do with what will happen to people during this "great tribulation"

Where is the mark of the beast? In the same place as the sign of God is to be!
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The mark of the beast displaces the mark/sign of God -it signifies obedience to one other than God.
It is not an actual physical mark -it is what one thinks/believes and what one does.
One either obeys the law of God -or does not.

How can this lead to not being able to buy or sell -to being killed?

Ask any throughout history who have been persecuted for keeping the sabbath -for being "Judaizers"!

 

[BummerBeavis]

I can easily show you the truth, but you will not listen.

We have to obey the ten commandments, but our obedience to the Sabbath is fulfilled when we observe Jesus.

Special days were teaching tools, a shadow of Jesus. Jesus is now here, and there are no more shadows in the Lord.

that is what you and Paul teach this is what Yeshua says.
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
also since you dont this is what it says about you
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him so the bible and your testimony confirms you as a liar

 

[Yes]

That is very wrong and very dangerous!

"Jesus" is NOT all that matters -and even Jesus said so!

You have exposed yourself in that statement.
DAYS ARE NOTHING. YOU PUT DAYS BEFORE THE LORD!

Christ did have the authority to change JUDGMENTS concerning how to deal with transgressions -stoning, sacrifice, etc. -and did so -but he did NOT do away with THE LAW -or the requirement to keep it -which includes the weekly and annual sabbaths. HOW they were observed changed -but not THAT they were to be observed. Twist it all you like, but you're wrong and are making what he taught meaningless.

You seem to be saying that the sabbath is THE LEAST OF THE COMMANDMENTS -and are TEACHING THAT IT NEED NOT BE OBSERVED.

What is wrong with you? Jesus is NOT THE LEAST OF COMMANDMENTS. The special days...the Sabbath is about JESUS.

Are there any other you would like to nullify?
The whole world will not be keeping Jesus Christ -the whole world will be keeping the feast of tabernacles -as God the father has instructed through the word who became flesh FROM THE BEGINNING -or they will receive no rain.

The whole world will be keeping Jesus. The whole NEW EARTH will be keeping Jesus.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

If you do not keep the sabbath and the holy days of God -and all of the other commandments -you are not keeping Christ! You are disobeying God, the Father and Christ!

You are a bitter root, and you DEFILE the many

Hebrews 12:15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

You pretend to be a Jew, but you are not a Jew.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

You do not have understanding, because you do not obey Jesus.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The above in no way says we are not to keep God's holy days -but that we are not to judge us regarding them.
The fact that he blotted out our trespasses does not mean we are not free TO CONTINUE TO TRESPASS.
The above speaks of men's doctrines and commandments IN REGARD to God's commandments -and judgments concerning how things were observed -not God's commandments themselves -not THAT things should not be observed.

You speak falseness about God's Truth. Those scriptures that you quoted testify against you.

THE FATHER -and doing the will of the Father -matters much more than JESUS -ACCORDING TO JESUS.

Jesus is doing the Father's work.

Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

That scripture proves that they are the same.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

That is about REPENTING.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

That is about REPENTING of sins.

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.*
*G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

That is about those who did not repent of SINS.

Another question -WHY WOULD CHRIST TELL PEOPLE -CONCERNING AN EVENT WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED EVEN YET -TO PRAY THAT THEIR FLIGHT NOT BE ON THE SABBATH DAY?

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Because those without understanding, such as yourself, will be restricted on the Sabbath; however, those who know God's Truth will have freedom in the Lord, and will be saved.

Nehemiah 13:19It came about that just as it grew dark at the gates of Jerusalem before the sabbath, I commanded that the doors should be shut and that they should not open them until after the sabbath. Then I stationed some of my servants at the gates so that no load would enter on the sabbath day. 20Once or twice the traders and merchants of every kind of merchandise spent the night outside Jerusalem.…

 

[Simplelogic]

We have to obey the ten commandments, but our obedience to the Sabbath is fulfilled when we observe Jesus.

????????

So you keep the 9 commandments then?

You do know that this means you are not keeping "the ten" if you are only keeping 9. I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure my figures are right on this one.

But wait!! There is another command that many Christians love to cherry pick from the "old" Testament. The TITHE!! O yes, Christians conveniently use Malachi 4 to guilt people into giving to Pastors. So I guess that means we are back to 10 commands! Nevermind…problem solved!


54And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.55And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 56And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23: 54-56

I guess Yeshua forgot to tell them that he "fulfilled" it.

 

[Harikrish]

Christians did not do too well under the Jews. So it would be absurd to follow their customs and traditions. They did better under Rome/Constantine and the Catholic church.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Christians did not do too well under the Jews. So it would be absurd to follow their customs and traditions. They did better under Rome/Constantine and the Catholic church.

boooooyyyy are you stupid! Better for christians under the Antichrist!!! better for christians under the roman catholic church as described in rev 17 that has torture and murdered hundreds of millions of christians! Go worship your antichrist pope. no way are you christian

 

[Yes]

????????

So you keep the 9 commandments then?

I EXCEEDED the law that the Pharisees taught.

I not only obey the ten commandments, I succeed them.

Matthew 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

As for the Sabbath---JESUS IS THE SABBATH REST.

 

[Yes]

Christians did not do too well under the Jews. So it would be absurd to follow their customs and traditions. They did better under Rome/Constantine and the Catholic church.

Many who call themselves 'Christian' do not understand what that means.

Neither do you understand what it means.

 

[Yes]

boooooyyyy are you stupid! Better for christians under the Antichrist!!! better for christians under the roman catholic church as described in rev 17 that has torture and murdered hundreds of millions of christians! Go worship your antichrist pope. no way are you christian

You are no better than the Catholics. You preach falseness and try to destroy those who know the truth.