Should couples need a license to procreate?

[Skwim]

It's cute how you assume I think God actually killed anyone. You assume wrong.

Sorry. I simply assumed that you believe what the Bible says. Things like

Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

1 Samuel 25:38
And it came to pass about ten days after, that the LORD smote Nabal, that he died.

2 Chronicles 13:20
Neither did Jeroboam recover strength again in the days of Abijah: and the LORD struck him, and he died.

Joshua 10:10
And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.

Joshua 10:11
And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
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[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry. I simply assumed that you believe what the Bible says. Things like

Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

1 Samuel 25:38
And it came to pass about ten days after, that the LORD smote Nabal, that he died.

2 Chronicles 13:20
Neither did Jeroboam recover strength again in the days of Abijah: and the LORD struck him, and he died.

Joshua 10:10
And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.

Joshua 10:11
And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
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You assume I take the OT as literal history or that there's no other ways to interpret verses. Maybe you should stop assuming things.

 

[dust1n]

It's interesting that pretty much everyone thinks it would be a good idea, in theory, but that there would be no way to humanely put it in practice.

People like punching below their weight.

 

[Skwim]

You assume I take the OT as literal history or that there's no other ways to interpret verses. Maybe you should stop assuming things.

I will and I'll simply conclude that you prefer need to cherry pick the Bible so as to save your personal theology. Hardly a noble approach to one's religion, but to each his own.

However, if you would indulge me for a moment and tell me what

"Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died,"* ​

actually means.

* Source: Bible - Catholic Online


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[Saint Frankenstein]

I will and I'll simply conclude that you prefer need to cherry pick the Bible so as to save your personal theology. Hardly a noble approach to one's religion, but to each his own.

However, if you would indulge me for a moment and tell me what

"Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died,"* ​

actually means.

* Source: Bible - Catholic Online


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I don't "cherry pick" the Bible. I just don't interpret it in a way that you find acceptable to your own personal bigotries. Get over yourself. I don't need to explain myself to you.

 

[Scott C.]

Should there be prerequisites to having a child? Would it benefit society if there were?

I can't believe anyone would actually believe a couple should need permission from the State to have a child. Please say this is not a thing.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is your position, then, that we should implement despite the ethical issues, because it is more unethical to do nothing?

The way I see it, the ethical issue is self-solving. It is all-out immoral to refuse to do what is necessary.

A better way to put it is that there is not so much an ethical issue as there is an implementation challenge.

It's so hard to know. Like I said to St Frank, if we don't change, I'm with you-- we gotta force people to change.

Well, no. Odds are that we won't even succeed at that. We are far more likely to go through some much more barbarian and destructive change, not entirely unlike the previous two world wars.

Those, too, were not so much forced as they were failures at attaining necessary change in due time and then in learning from those calamities.

But if people will change, then forcing it would be an unnecessary evil.

Indeed.

 

[Spiderman]

I can't believe anyone would actually believe a couple should need permission from the State to have a child. Please say this is not a thing.

We need it to drive, why not to have children?

 

[LuisDantas]

Considering that, if we are brutally honest, children are a permanent and hereditary demand of resources and attention from both the state and society proper, it is hardly a given that other people have or should have no say on whether people can have them.

 

[Skwim]

I don't "cherry pick" the Bible. I just don't interpret it in a way that you find acceptable to your own personal bigotries.

Sorry for assuming that like almost all other Christians you'd take a verse like "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died," to mean "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died." But if you're too shy to tell us what you think it really means, so be it.

Get over yourself. I don't need to explain myself to you.

Didn't ask you to, now did I.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry for assuming that like almost all other Christians you'd take a verse like "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died," to mean "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died." But if you're too shy to tell us what you think it really means, so be it. .

Go start another thread if you want to have a theological discussion.

 

[Skwim]

Go start another thread if you want to have a theological discussion.

Only if you promise to follow me and accede to my request:

Tell me what "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died," actually means.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Only if you promise to follow me and accede to my request:

Tell me what "Eventually Yahweh struck him and he died," actually means..​

I'll reply to it if you make it. I don't really care if you make the thread or not. I just want you to stop derailing this one.

 

[Spiderman]

Give me a link

 

[psychoslice]

Many people put more thought in having a pet than having a baby.

 

[Skwim]

I'll reply to it if you make it. I don't really care if you make the thread or not. I just want you to stop derailing this one.

Give me a link

NEW THREAD IN SCRIPTURAL DEBATES

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[illykitty]

Didn't say everyone below average IQ, only those with an IQ below 90. And there is no failing an IQ test.

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By fail, I meant the cut off line you've put. Fail to arrive at a normal/average score of 90-110. My mom is a very slow learner and had the test done some years ago to determine her disability pay.

I don't know about my father, but he's probably average (and a bigger idiot than my mom, hands down). Again, in my opinion, it's a flawed way to determine (hypothetically) who can have children. And it's a flawed way to determine if someone is stupid, since I've seen a lot of people who would score higher than my mother being complete idiots.

Your entitled to your opinions, but my personal example goes against your idea that removing people below 90 is a good method of determining who can procreate. I'd recon it was my mom's early parenting, her teaching me two languages to the best of her ability and exposing me to English, reading to me and always praising my learning that made me who I am. Not inherited IQ genetics. Maybe it's bad parents we should worry about, whatever their IQ.

 

[Scott C.]

We need it to drive, why not to have children?

If it's not intuitively obvious and if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach to think that the State would tell a couple if they can proceed with one of the most personal and intimate and inalienable rights as human beings, I don't know how I could possibly explain it.

 

[Falvlun]

If it's not intuitively obvious and if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach to think that the State would tell a couple if they can proceed with one of the most personal and intimate and inalienable rights as human beings, I don't know how I could possibly explain it.

Well, you could also flip it around.

Children are much more complex than cars, raising them well is much harder than driving, and failure to properly raise them can similarly result in loss of life, then it seems kinda silly to have requirements to be a driver and not a parent.

Do not children have any rights to capable parents, and a healthy upbringing?

 

[Falvlun]

People like punching below their weight.

I'm not really sure what this means in this context.