Should ex-Muslims be killed for renouncing their religion?

[gsa]

There is a difference between a decision of the individual and a decision of entire countries. What you are saying is that the majority of civilization get to set the standard on morality. Why?

That is, in fact, the purpose of these international conventions. They don't get to set all the standards, but they do get to set a baseline. We may not require KSA to recognize same-sex marriages, but we should prohibit them from beheading apostates.

 

[Tumah]

That is, in fact, the purpose of these international conventions. They don't get to set all the standards, but they do get to set a baseline. We may not require KSA to recognize same-sex marriages, but we should prohibit them from beheading apostates.

Like I said before. Unless Saudi Arabia is a part of these international conventions. I don't see why they should be obligated by them.

 

[illykitty]

I think it's silly that they should feel so threatened by someone leaving a religion and/or speaking against it. If that scares you so much, perhaps that tells more about you than anything else. Perhaps your faith is weak and you feel like you need to silence that person, make them disappear because you're uncomfortable with it.

In short, no. No one should be killed for changing religions, whatever religion it is. To do such a think is sign that they can't cope with differences of opinions, that they feel threatened and are so fragile... That they take someone's life. Rob them and their family of love and joy for such a silly reason. To me, that's despicable.

 

[gsa]

Like I said before. Unless Saudi Arabia is a part of these international conventions. I don't see why they should be obligated by them.

I think that, more than anything, this is the difference between the tribal nationalist impulse and the humanist cosmopolitan one. Only the latter offers anything for humanity.

 

[Tumah]

I think that, more than anything, this is the difference between the tribal nationalist impulse and the humanist cosmopolitan one. Only the latter offers anything for humanity.

Whether that is true or not is not the issue. The question is whether the majority of civilization can enforce its morality on an entire nation. And if so, how far are they should/must do so.

 

[gsa]

Whether that is true or not is not the issue. The question is whether the majority of civilization can enforce its morality on an entire nation. And if so, how far are they should/must do so.

A topic outside the scope of this thread I think.

 

[Ashraf]

So he deserves to die ?

Religion of peace indeed.

Whether he deserved to die or not, he acted with great stupidity.

 

[fantome profane]

Whether he deserved to die or not, he acted with great stupidity.

Many people have great difficult telling the difference between stupidity and bravery. He definitely put his life in danger. He knowingly took actions that he knew would put his life in danger. But that does not mean what he did was stupid.

 

[Ashraf]

Every person in the world deserves the right to choose their own religion, or none, - and to move to another if they find the one they are in - to be false, and even to tell others why they think so, or did so.

Or should we murder every person in the world whom has given up their religion to become Muslim, and is out there spreading the word of Muhammad??????

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I do not dispute that everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion they want. There are Muslim scholars who argue that Quran is very clear in that freedom of religion should be granted to everyone without exception. But when you live in any country in the world, you should be very well aware of its laws if you ever want to live there. What this guy did was slamming all these laws to the wall and provoking the whole nation by insulting their religion in his very stupid act. So he paid for such stupidity handsomely with his own life

 

[Cephus]

Some laws are illegitimate. This one in particular clearly defies the norms embodied in the universal declaration of human rights, and as a UN participant Saudi Arabia is bound by those fundamental guarantees.

There is also something known as civil disobedience, and with unjust laws and regimes that is the only way to bring about change.

Just because you don't like a law doesn't magically make it go away. If they are violating UN rules, then it's up to the UN to stop them. Wake me up when that happens, the UN is completely useless. And civil disobedience is done only by accepting the penalty, to bring attention to the unjust law. Kids today, they just don't get it.

 

[Cephus]

Many people have great difficult telling the difference between stupidity and bravery. He definitely put his life in danger. He knowingly took actions that he knew would put his life in danger. But that does not mean what he did was stupid.

It does if he expected to get away with it. It seems there are a lot of people who think that actions do not have consequences.

 

[fantome profane]

It does if he expected to get away with it. It seems there are a lot of people who think that actions do not have consequences.

I don't know if he expected to "get away" with anything. Usually we call risking your life for a noble cause heroic, not stupid.

 

[Ashraf]

I don't know if he expected to "get away" with anything. Usually we call risking your life for a noble cause heroic, not stupid.

I do not see anything noble in desecrating someone else's Holy Book and insulting their prophets and families on public videos

 

[fantome profane]

I do not see anything noble in desecrating someone else's Holy Book and insulting their prophets and families on public videos

I do see something noble and heroic in standing up for free speech, free expression and freedom of religion.

Stupid is killing a man for insulting someone who has been dead for nearly 14 centuries. Stupid and cowardly.

 

[Ashraf]

I do see something noble and heroic in standing up for free speech, free expression and freedom of religion.

Stupid is killing a man for insulting someone who has been dead for nearly 14 centuries. Stupid and cowardly.

When you can not differentiate between freedom to believe in whatever you want and freedom without limit to do whatever you want to others you disagree with, then you have a very serious problem

 

[fantome profane]

When you can not differentiate between freedom to believe in whatever you want and freedom without limit to do whatever you want to others you disagree with, then you have a very serious problem

I agree.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

When you can not differentiate between freedom to believe in whatever you want and freedom without limit to do whatever you want to others you disagree with, then you have a very serious problem

The hypocrisy of this statement coming from a Muslim who believes someone should be killed for insulting Islam is almost too much to put into words.

 

[Muffled]

The hypocrisy of this statement coming from a Muslim who believes someone should be killed for insulting Islam is almost too much to put into words.

I don't believe I understand what he is saying. Is he saying that beliefs don't require action? I believe it is one thing to follow true beliefs but it is bad to follow false beliefs and the idea that people should be attacked for their beliefs is a false belief.