Should Gays Forgive Abrahamics?

[The Hammer]

The news is often filled with stories of anti-gay churches, synagogues and (far less frequently) mosques repenting of their anti-gay past to embrace equality for gay people, even sometimes the full spectrum of LGBT people.

To me, however, there is a lingering unanswered and usually unasked question: Should gay people forgive the homophobia of Abrahamic religions? If so, why? If not, why not? Not a pressing question, to be sure, but an interesting one.

Should the Native Americans forgive the English/French and American people for their blatant racism and defamation of their Nations? Should black people forgive white slave owners because it was just what they do? Should the Jews forgive the Nazis for all of the death and torture?

The answer to this, and your question is a resounding "no". There is no need to forgive these people of their ignorance, but there is no need to go around and condemning them for it either. I do not get mad at a child for not fully grasping all social graces, so why would I get mad at Abrahamic faiths for this? It saddens me, it is disappointing that they have not learned, but nothing I say or do will ultimately change that. They have to do that for themselves.

 

[Baladas]

It depends exactly what you mean by "forgive".

I said "yes" because I have found that holding onto bitterness and resentment tend to create unhappiness in the one who holds onto them. This has little to do with the offender, and everything to do with the one doing the forgiving.

There is a lot to forgive.
I would say that the best course of action for LGBT people is to (as much as is possible) let go of their hurt and resentment for their own sakes.

Forgiveness does not entail becoming a doormat however, and I would personally hesitate to allow people back into my life in any significant way who had hurt me deeply...I suppose it also is a matter of if you are speaking of "Abrahamics" in general, or at a more personal level (as in people we already know).

 

[HekaMa'atRa]

I do not get mad at a child for not fully grasping all social graces, so why would I get mad at Abrahamic faiths for this?

Because these large, ignorant children lobby to have laws pass that restricts the rights of said minorities and legalize discrimination.

 

[psychoslice]

Most gay's that I have meet are beautiful people, I think they would forgive anyone or anything, its just their nature, unlike the so called straits, or most straits.

 

[SomeRandom]

We all know that there are Many Studies with many different control groups . All that i am STATING is the FACTS.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--A social researcher who has studied sexual behavior for 24 years believes the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) has sound reasons for maintaining its prohibition against gay scoutmasters.

A homosexual cannot automatically be considered a child molester, said Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education in suburban Louisville, Ky. - But with 17-24 percent of boys being abused by age 18, nearly as many as the 25 percent of girls, there is cause for concern, she said.

Since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals, she said.


The Facts are the Facts/ My Comments are the STATS and FINDINGS by Real People on the ground, who deal with the Problems every day. NOT some Random writer or two who pretend that the facts do not matter.

All You have is people who claim that the FACTS are Incorrect..

When it comes to AIDS and Pedophilia Studies show that Homosexuals are in the Highest Ratio Per Group. Per Group.

They are the a minority group but they are not NEVER ) - allowed to donate blood or organs. THIS IS THE FACT >

This has nothing to do with Abraham.

pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. Per Group Ratio. The Studies agree. Your Opinions are great. And i value them all. But the Facts are the facts.

I will believe the Studies put out by researchers , not re-invention writers who discard the FACTS.

This is not Abraham's Fault. it is the Gays who have brought this upon themselves. They simply have no Scriptures for their Faith.

Judith Riesman is NOT a researcher, she's a media communications and legal counsel qualified person. She's got no background in science, her hypothesis' are laughed at by any serious legitimate researcher, she's got a very obvious vendetta against Kinsey and therefore biased against anything to do with sexology and the studies which were pulled out by researchers that you have cited have not said that gay people are more likely to abuse children, even once.

 

[Diederick`]

Opinions of others are good to have. @SomeRandom already knows that the Facts Prove that Men who Molest Boys are Gay.
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What is your point? Are you suggesting that homosexuals are more likely to be child molesters?

How is this even related to the topic?

Yes there were Stories or Rumors of Nazis who killed Homosexuals. Also stories of Nazis who were Homosexuals. Blaming a Religious Group for the Harm that Gays have brought upon themselves and others is not being Honest..

Nazis sought out, persecuted and killed homosexuals, they are not "stories" or "rumors".

What do you suppose is the harm homosexuals have brought upon themselves?

And your 'research' is dated, besides being from an obviously prejudiced and unacclaimed source.

Reading through your posts and noticing these conclusions you draw, I can't help but feel that your are prejuced against homosexuals.

Children should be educated, but properly so - which means your biased hypothesising is best kept far away from the impressionable mind.

 

[Mitch M]

When You go to Donate Blood or Organs. They MUST / MUST Know - Are You a Homosexual. If You Say yes.

A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for exposure to and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV.

In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Between 2008 and 2010, the estimated overall incidence of HIV was stable in the U.S. However the incidence in MSM increased 12%, while it decreased in other populations.

The largest increase was a 22% increase in MSM aged 13 to 24 years. Since younger individuals are more likely to donate blood, the implications of this increase in incidence need to be further evaluated.

I still Believe that Abraham can not be Blamed for the Danger that Homosexuals bring Upon themselves and to others that they deceive.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm

 

[dgirl1986]

The news is often filled with stories of anti-gay churches, synagogues and (far less frequently) mosques repenting of their anti-gay past to embrace equality for gay people, even sometimes the full spectrum of LGBT people.

To me, however, there is a lingering unanswered and usually unasked question: Should gay people forgive the homophobia of Abrahamic religions? If so, why? If not, why not? Not a pressing question, to be sure, but an interesting one.

Of the religion? No. Of people who have been homophobic and change their ways? Yes.

 

[HekaMa'atRa]

When You go to Donate Blood or Organs. They MUST / MUST Know - Are You a Homosexual. If You Say yes.

A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for exposure to and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV.

In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Between 2008 and 2010, the estimated overall incidence of HIV was stable in the U.S. However the incidence in MSM increased 12%, while it decreased in other populations.

The largest increase was a 22% increase in MSM aged 13 to 24 years. Since younger individuals are more likely to donate blood, the implications of this increase in incidence need to be further evaluated.

I still Believe that Abraham can not be Blamed for the Danger that Homosexuals bring Upon themselves and to others that they deceive.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm

All of those stats are negated through the use of protection, have nothing to do with the people who have responded to your posts, and they're also completely irrelevant to the thread.

 

[SomeRandom]

When You go to Donate Blood or Organs. They MUST / MUST Know - Are You a Homosexual. If You Say yes.

A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for exposure to and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV.

In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Between 2008 and 2010, the estimated overall incidence of HIV was stable in the U.S. However the incidence in MSM increased 12%, while it decreased in other populations.

The largest increase was a 22% increase in MSM aged 13 to 24 years. Since younger individuals are more likely to donate blood, the implications of this increase in incidence need to be further evaluated.

I still Believe that Abraham can not be Blamed for the Danger that Homosexuals bring Upon themselves and to others that they deceive.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm

We have condoms for a reason, mate.

 

[dgirl1986]

I find it really annoying how anti gay people are obsessed with how gay guys have sex and going on about disease. No one ever brings up low disease rate with lesbians or the disease rate with heterosexuals and bisexuals.

 

[Kapalika]

if one never changes why should one forgive? evil is evil either way and to forgive evil that does not repent it to waste energy that is better spend on those who wish to leave evil for goodness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Opinions of others are good to have. @SomeRandom already knows that the Facts Prove that Men who Molest Boys are Gay.

Actually, no, it is the prepubescent body that a pedophile is attracted to, regardless of sex. If they were gay, they would have sex with gay men. Your position is illogical.

 

[Mitch M]

We have condoms for a reason, mate.

Yes.. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV.

In 2010, the estimated number of new HIV infections among MSM was 29,800, a significant 12% increase from the 26,700 new infections among MSM in 2008.

They have not been using Condoms. If Everyone was Gay. The entire Planet would be filled with Diseased people.
Gay simply is not great. Prostitution and Sharing Needles is not Great.

It is not OK to be Gay. It is dangerous and Homosexuals are deceiving people when they pretend that the facts are not the facts.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes.. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV.

In 2010, the estimated number of new HIV infections among MSM was 29,800, a significant 12% increase from the 26,700 new infections among MSM in 2008.

They have not been using Condoms. If Everyone was Gay. The entire Planet would be filled with Diseased people.
Gay simply is not great. Prostitution and Sharing Needles is not Great.

Prostitution is okay provided you have protection and adults giving fully informed consent. Of course sharing needles is bad. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. Neither of those things has anything to do with homosexuality in general, though, so what the **** is your point?

Why are you so concerned with "Gay AIDS" anyway? Is it your life's mission to eradicate "Gay AIDS?" Are you a scientist? A Doctor? A sex researcher? If you're a layman, then your obsession is quite unhealthy.
Also in many African countries the population most affected with AIDS are heterosexuals. Funny how everyone seems to gloss over that little fact. Also the majority of the world's HIV/AIDS sufferers live in sub Saharan Africa. So I suppose being a Sub Saharan African is dangerous to human health now? Give me a break.
Global Statistics

If everyone was gay, then everyone would be gay and nothing else of importance would happen. Disease doesn't spontaneously appear in gay people, nor is it synonymous with gay or bi people. And need I bring up how intellectually dishonest it is to conflate the term MSM and gay/bi men, again?

You need to be a bit more honest if you want people to believe what you're saying and perhaps get yourself a hobby, mate.

 

[Mitch M]

From 1950-2002: The Roman Catholic Church Priesthood has been getting away with Child Abuse, Pedophilia . I Worked with Others and put a stop to it.

Because of this, I am a target of Catholics at this website

However - Priests. - They are the PERFECT example.

Their Victims' - gender: 81% male, 19% female.

Men who molest Little Boys are Homosexuals. They are attracted - to the Male Mind of Little BOYS, The Spirit, psyche and innocence - of the Male.

They are interested in Discovering and Opening the DOOR of the Child ( MALE _ ) into sexual *( NEW ) Surprising sensations and NEW feelings - Pedophiles are themselves - feeling NEW SENSATIONS themselves __---- in unison with the Body and innocence of the Little Boy. Awakening the Child to sexuality,

They are Homosexuals, warped, blinded and their LUST is to OPEN and shatter - the mind and psyche of these little Boys and arouse them into their own world of perversity. Homosexuals try to play sexually with Boys if they cannot get an adult partner and Homosexuals are EXCITED to teach and introduce Little boys to a world of sexuality, They love to manipulate FACTS, Manipulate People, Situations and Little Boys.

many homosexual groups around the world are working aggressively to lower the age of sexual consent.

The Fact is.... heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1,. As a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals,

 

[Mitch M]

So whats the difference in Prostitution and Sharing needles. ? it's all -The Same / - Blood Crimes. The Same eXaXT results are diseases spread, germs, bacterium, illness and sickness through contact with an infected individuals blood.

Sodomy can also be - a BLOOD Crime. Penetrating the Fecal orbit - Anus of many, many different tYpe people and spreading the DIFFERENT STRAINS of combined, gathered germs, bacterium and anal parasites to knowing and unknowing victims. Is a BLOOD CRIME. The People in Biblical time did what was necessary to keep their people safe from Germs, Bacterium, Diseases, Plagues, AND Sickness and Self distruction.

People from different camps, villages, towns, cities, countries, continents are gathering various types of feces into their bodies and demanding that it is Love. to be shared and spread around

this is all explained in the BIBLE.... Why pretend to have SCRIPTURES for Your CLAIMS. ? You only - misrepresent the bible.

I am SORRY. - You simply have no scriptures -for Your IDEAS, CLAIMS and FAITH.

Abraham is NEVER Even RECORDED to have condemned anyone for Blood Crimes. That was Moses. The basis for Your Theology is ERROR.

I believe that - THERE is NO Such a thing as an Abrahamic Religion. It is an Error. And contradiction - Also - REMEMBER - Judaism also - Notice that the Idea of Modern Judaism - is not in the bible.

Judah * ( Son of Jacob) - Never Wrote or Recorded of Himself Making a single book of the Bible or Giving instructions in religion.. there is no History of the term ----"Judaism" until LONG, LONG after the Jews were kicked out of Israel in AD 70.

Who can complain about a Group of people who EXCLUDE Dangerous Behaving People from their Society. Who are spreading diseases, sickness and plagues and germs among the families. This is what the Law of Moses CLEARLY Defined.

Cleaning pots, pans, vessels, Washing, BATHING Every Single time after SEX, Washing after touching Dead People or animals. Keeping away from other people if You touch a Dead ROTTING Animal. Making sure to Mary a virgin or a widow. No sex with Animals. No gay sex.

'When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean.

And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, Whoever sits on anything that is unclean shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and bathe his body in running water ......................
'If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water.
'If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood - everything that she sits on shall be unclean.

the LAW was to --- ___ ** separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness . Don't Eat bats, Lions, Cats, Rats, Eel, stingray, and catfish fishes with no fins and scales) Snakes . Don't Eat Raw Blood.

Please don't misrepresent the Bible. The Translations are bad enough.

 

[Kapalika]

In 2010, the estimated number of new HIV infections among MSM was 29,800, a significant 12% increase from the 26,700 new infections among MSM in 2008

The only reason that this is true is because the gay population in any one area is extremely small compared to the majority. STD's spread faster in smaller population pools because of more limited choice of sexual partners, it's just a biological given. If there were as many gay people as straight people, it wouldn't be any more common overall than it is among straight people. I don't see why any of this would have any moral implication.

 

[dgirl1986]

Yes.. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV.

In 2010, the estimated number of new HIV infections among MSM was 29,800, a significant 12% increase from the 26,700 new infections among MSM in 2008.

They have not been using Condoms. If Everyone was Gay. The entire Planet would be filled with Diseased people.
Gay simply is not great. Prostitution and Sharing Needles is not Great.

It is not OK to be Gay. It is dangerous and Homosexuals are deceiving people when they pretend that the facts are not the facts.

I'm gay and guess what? It's OK! You are just attempting fear mongering. We care not for your anti gay opinion.

 

[Mitch M]

The medical centers and Blood Drives are the Ones who are CREATING the FEAR.

When You go donate Blood. The Fear of receiving Blood from homosexuals is so great.

The Fear is overwhelming to these people. They are in a state of Fright and scared for their Jobs and for the LIVES of non Homosexuals who would be harmed by Homosexual blood,

That, - They ask You, OUTRIGHT.

HIV/AIDS
Individuals who have had a positive test for HIV/AIDS or who are at risk for contracting HIV/AIDS are permanently deferred / BANNED - from donating blood.

Risk factors include:

• Use of illegal, street drugs or steroids not prescribed by a doctor, even once
• Taking money or drugs for sex since 1977
• Male to male sexual contact, even once, since 1977
• Ongoing treatment with clotting factor concentrates for hemophilia or similar blood clotting disorders

it is not Me who is creating the Fear. I do not Work for the Blood Center. Please come back up to reality.

AND the bible eXplains why that Homosexuals were to be removed from the city. and even killed - Because they were part of the horrible PROBLEM that the Jews had / with Diseases. And once You were Hit with a Disease in the Bible times. That was it,

it was all over. You and who ever You spread the disease to were separated from Your family and all contact with others was gone. FOREVER. You live in Pain, agony and a horrible future of dying in the most horrible way was your future, No Pain Killers, no antibiotics, no medicine. no CURE.

The ONLY Way to prevent it, was to Get rid of people who participated in these Evil, Dangerous, Perverted, sick, nasty behaviors.

And that is EXACTLY What the Blood Centers of AMERICA are doing today. Awesome Job.

Don't You see that by YOUR own argument standards You should admit that YOU are trying to spread diseases, by attempting to silence the truth. We know that You do not wish to OPENLY, PUBLICLY Spread diseases. You would be exxxposed.

Every single word that I say is truth. I wish to OPENLY, PUBLICLY Spread TRUTH. And i am spreading the truth of the fear that Blood centers have with receiving Homosexual blood.

If You don't like truth. Don't claim to know or believe the bible. Or to have a Bible for your CLAIMS. * (Faith)
And don't Ever donate blood. because they are the ones who make these opinions. Which are in reality - FACTS.

We care - for the Blood Drives anti gay opinion. Thank You Blood Centers.

We Care - You Care - You are keeping us Safe, by spreading the truth and facts.

Thank You, for Your Hard work and for the truth. And i am not Gay. i donate blood and help.