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Should I Put This On RF?

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Yeah, what's the worst that could hap--


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@Augustus @RestlessSoul @exchemist
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
In response to what? Quoting something that is likely inflammatory sans context and sans proper citation? Seems reasonable to me assuming, of course, that the intent was benign clickbait.
It is benign :D

I've been reading this book and putting bits of it up for comment on RF. I showed some passages to my Catholic BF last night and he took partial issue with some of it. I expect all authors have biases so I put it on RF to see who can best challenge it.

It's certainly not a populist history though, and is a tome of a book.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Yeah, what's the worst that could hap--

I suppose, though, that any revolution is likely cause enough upheaval to make “culture stagnate” for a while. Things tend to go backwards for a bit.

It also invites the question of what is the measure of culture being used here. Quite a lot of cultural artifacts from that period might have been religious in nature……
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Which book? I might want to put it on my reading list.

All writing is biased. It is impossible to write an unbiased history, especially if there are modern consequences of that history (which there usually are).

As to specifics, it would be nice to have a reference to the archeology and precisely which aspects of culture stagnated. Since the church was often the link to a literary past and encouraged a number of the arts, it is possible that its withdrawal would lead to some types of 'stagnation'. As @exchemist notes, a revolution of this sort is likely either to lead to a decrease in cultural activity or a burst in such (both happen historically). Such revolutions are generally not culturally neutral.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Which book? I might want to put it on my reading list.

All writing is biased. It is impossible to write an unbiased history, especially if there are modern consequences of that history (which there usually are).

As to specifics, it would be nice to have a reference to the archeology and precisely which aspects of culture stagnated. Since the church was often the link to a literary past and encouraged a number of the arts, it is possible that its withdrawal would lead to some types of 'stagnation'. As @exchemist notes, a revolution of this sort is likely either to lead to a decrease in cultural activity or a burst in such (both happen historically). Such revolutions are generally not culturally neutral.

632 pages.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I don't think it would be bad to post this. I'm just not sure anyone would know enough about the topic to create any sort of useful discussion / debate?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
You mean the 3 volume set? I have that :grin: It's brilliant.

I have a 3 volume illustrated set and an 8 volume non-illustrated set (New Cambridge History--which goes to 1500AD). I'm in the third volume of the 8 volume set (900-1024).
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member

632 pages.
Wikipedia -> Johannes Fried

Fried studied at the University of Heidelberg, where he obtained his doctorate in 1970 and his habilitation in 1977. He was professor at the University of Cologne 1980–1983 and has held the Chair of Medieval History at the University of Frankfurt am Main since 1983. He was a visiting Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton from 1995 to 1996.​
Fried is a member of several learned societies and was president of the Verband der Historiker und Historikerinnen Deutschlands (German Society of Historians) from 1996 to 2000.​

^ not someone to be casually dismissed.
 

Soandso

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I kind of enjoy heavy biases in my history books from time to time. Makes for a fun head canon to play with while reading about those events from their perspective
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Wikipedia -> Johannes Fried

Fried studied at the University of Heidelberg, where he obtained his doctorate in 1970 and his habilitation in 1977. He was professor at the University of Cologne 1980–1983 and has held the Chair of Medieval History at the University of Frankfurt am Main since 1983. He was a visiting Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton from 1995 to 1996.​
Fried is a member of several learned societies and was president of the Verband der Historiker und Historikerinnen Deutschlands (German Society of Historians) from 1996 to 2000.​

^ not someone to be casually dismissed.
Yes.

So I believe calling the above paragraph simply 'bias' is an unfair, simplistic analysis. Yet without his archaeological sources I can neither fully accept nor reject it.

So here we are!
 
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