Should incest be banned?

[nnmartin]

:biglaugh:

I don't even get one line anymore - back to the smiley only now , aw shucks!

Still, I did enjoy your nice long post on the other thread earlier on.

 

[McBell]

I think we've been over this point already.

How would it be possible to ban sex only between those who do not choose to reproduce?

It is hardly possible therefore a blanket ban on all incest makes sense.

Homosexual incest especially because it is the height of depravity.

It's a clear slippery slope this one - if two brothers have sex then what is going to stop one of them from raping his sister when she turns down his advances?

Once the animal beast of lust and immorality is risen in some people they find it very hard to control themselves.

 

[nnmartin]

Now, take the case of possession of child pornography.

One of the reasons for this is in fact a slippery slope type factor.

That is , to prevent people from being encouraged in acting out their depraved fantasies which they see on their screen.

this logic clearly ties in with other forms of perversion - eg: bestiality and incest.

There really is quite a significant chance of someone's mind being warped to such an extent (even if not specifically noticeable) that acts of seemingly mild deviance can escalate into far more serious ones - ones which actually cause real objective harm.

 

[McBell]

I don't even get one line anymore - back to the smiley only now , aw shucks!

Still, I did enjoy your nice long post on the other thread earlier on.

Are you in some sort of secret competition to produce the worlds most asinine post on a web forum?

if not, you really should be.

 

[nnmartin]

well you were the one who must have spent a good 10 minutes putting up a home-made face palm of Jesus - is that not asinine on a serious thread or what?

and really, what is the point of just posting a smiley - agreeing with yourself are we?

 

[Zoe Doidge]

of course, the thing with racism is that it's just an extension of Mans' natural xenophobia - ie: it's xenophobia un-tamed.

Yep I'd pretty much agree with that, an inbuilt fear of the unknown would likely have served primitive man well. It still does to a certain degree.

And like you say, when it isn't restrained in the face of logic it becomes racism amongst other things.

Incest is the same here.

Most people have an inbuilt mechanism that opposes it because we know intrinsically it is wrong - thus a restriction is needed (ie: banning)

And again, same kind of thing just for a slightly different reason. Inbreeding causes genetic problems so primitive man would have been better off not doing it, hence the instinct.

So why can't you see that the real difference is we haven't adapted to the change in circumstances in the case of incest? To use your words, we haven't tamed our fear of sex with family members even though the actual problems caused can easily be avoided now.

I think we've been over this point already.

How would it be possible to ban sex only between those who do not choose to reproduce?

It is hardly possible therefore a blanket ban on all incest makes sense.

Well there is a small amount of evidence that people have reproduced, it comes in the form of pregnancy and then a baby. If there was any suspicion a genetic analysis would prove it one way or the other.

Once done imprison the parents.

Homosexual incest especially because it is the height of depravity.

It's a clear slippery slope this one - if two brothers have sex then what is going to stop one of them from raping his sister when she turns down his advances?

Once the animal beast of lust and immorality is risen in some people they find it very hard to control themselves.

I’m sorry; you think having consensual gay or incestuous sex removes any reason to not rape people? A slippery slope argument is only ever valid if the chain of events can be established to have a high probability, so how exactly do you see two brothers having sex as inevitably leading to one of them raping a sister who turns him down?

 

[McBell]

well you were the one who must have spent a good 10 minutes putting up a home-made face palm of Jesus - is that not asinine on a serious thread or what?

and really, what is the point of just posting a smiley - agreeing with yourself are we?

You think this is a serious thread?

Wow.

 

[9Westy9]

I don't see any good reason why incest should be banned

 

[nnmartin]

do you think anything should be banned is the important question here.

what do you think of Zoe's idea of imprisoning parents who have children through incest?

 

[nnmartin]

So why can't you see that the real difference is we haven't adapted to the change in circumstances in the case of incest? To use your words, we haven't tamed our fear of sex with family members even though the actual problems caused can easily be avoided now.

It's not fear of sex - it's an instinctive response which tells us not to have improper relations with family members; which is not something we will naturally adapt to overcome.

The only way this will happen will be via incessant lobbying from the neo-liberal pervert brigade, which does, unfortunately, seem to be happening.

 

[nnmartin]

A slippery slope argument is only ever valid if the chain of events can be established to have a high probability, so how exactly do you see two brothers having sex as inevitably leading to one of them raping a sister who turns him down?

It is a question of 'nipping things in the bud' - ie: stopping the depravity early on before it builds into something more sinister.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

It's not fear of sex - it's an instinctive response which tells us not to have improper relations with family members; which is not something we will naturally adapt to overcome.

Yes, but the reason for that instinctive response can easily be overcome now. Besides which, I've adapted to overcome my instinctive distaste of it so why would you imagine the human race as a whole could not?

It is a question of 'nipping things in the bud' - ie: stopping the depravity early on before it builds into something more sinister.

Without establishing a chain of events that's just a logical fallacy based on nothing, as per usual.

 

[nnmartin]

why do actually want this supposed instinctive response to be overcome anyway?

 

[Zoe Doidge]

why do actually want this supposed instinctive response to be overcome anyway?

Because the reason behind it no longer applies to us anymore. That makes using that response to enforce a ban a form of tyranny.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't see any good reason why incest should be banned

I agree. I like incense. I often burn a stick or two of it while posting on RF, and it's really done me no harm at all.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

It is a question of 'nipping things in the bud' - ie: stopping the depravity early on before it builds into something more sinister.

How about we nip love all together, because that only leads to rape, murder, and not doing your taxes.

 

[McBell]

I agree. I like incense. I often burn a stick or two of it while posting on RF, and it's really done me no harm at all.

Have you no morals?
Burning incense goes against the natural order!

 

[McBell]

How about we nip love all together, because that only leads to rape, murder, and not doing your taxes.

Not to mention incest, divorce, beastiality, necrophilia, pre-marital sex....

gotta nip that slippery slope in the arse as hard and as fast and as often as we can!!!

 

[Sunstone]

Have you no morals?

Not currently. I've been waiting for Wal-Mart to drop its prices on morals.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Not to mention incest, divorce, beastiality, necrophilia, pre-marital sex....

gotta nip that slippery slope in the arse as hard and as fast and as often as we can!!!

I'll start aiming the warheads and hope we wipe them humans all out before they start getting ideas.