I've seen many baby girls with piercings long before they can give consent. Plenty of young teens(>18) get plastic surgery.
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Should Medically Unnecessary Circumcision of Male Infants or Children Be Banned?
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
No offense intended but: Of no relevance.
A low rate of adverse effects doesn't make a difference as far as bodily autonomy is concerned.
What other reasons can you bring up?
That should be the norm.
I would not make it illegal for the sake of the religions which practice it and also for the sake of tribal tats, ear rings and other tribal customs. I don't think we are 'Developed' enough to make decisions for parents of other people's children. First make a human that is demonstrably unselfish. There isn't one, and concern about other people's children is hard to believe. Others will let your children starve, but they think they care about whether you circumcise. No I don't believe it.
People do not care unless it costs them nothing.
People do not care unless it costs them nothing.
Incidentally, because it wasn't mentioned earlier, there are in fact levels of FGM that are equivalently risky to male infant circumcision, such as level IV pricking, or partial hoodectomies. They are all categorically banned, not because of health reasons, but because there aren't cultural reasons to keep it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes.
No. It should be the decision of the one getting cut, NOT the parents. It's not the parent's life, it is the child's, and as it's a permanent body modification the person receiving it must agree.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Why not the choice of the person getting cut?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Let's ask them!
Heyo
Veteran Member
We haven't had this one in quite a time. But classics never get old.
Circumcision, like FGM, is an irreversible mutilation and it already is illegal in all civilised countries.
There are exceptions, though. I don't understand how mutilating an infants genitalia can have exemption from persecution, especially in a secular country. Should not the law be for all equal?
Last time this came up. I had a passionate but fair debate with @Harel13 and my general position hasn't changed. I don't want that exemption in my country and I would strongly suggest that all modern, civilised countries ban the practise. There may be countries that haven't left the bronze age, yet, and I guess it would be OK for them to first reach Enlightenment before they also start banning it.
Is it? I googled and found nothing about a ban anywhere except that Iceland had considered a ban. For example:
Circumcision and law - Wikipedia
Koldo
Outstanding Member
The problem here is that you perceive it as a parental choice issue. We are not taking over parents' power though to make that choice, rather we are saying no one else other than the very person that is going to be subjected to this procedure, not even parents, can make that choice.
Is it one blink for yes and two for no? I can never remember.
Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you have any idea of the difference in pain between having the procedure at infancy and having it in the teens? A great deal more nerve endings have developed by that age.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
In case of doubt, it is always a no.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Which is absolutely irrelevant.
This was my initial thought as well, but the difference is this:
One can remove earrings and allow the holes to close. I don't think one can regrow foreskin. I've been trying for decades...along with my hair.
Explain.
My response was sarcasm. Was yours?
Since you didn't preface your reply to me with this, I'm left to conclude that your response to me was intended to be offensive.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Mutilation is illegal. As I said there is an exception for circumcision, a special immunity for those who ritually (or for tradition) mutilate male infants. In any other case those committing such a crime go to prison for some years.Is it? I googled and found nothing about a ban anywhere except that Iceland had considered a ban. For example:
Circumcision and law - Wikipedia
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