Should Medically Unnecessary Circumcision of Male Infants or Children Be Banned?

[YmirGF]

In case of doubt, it is always a no.

So, you recommend mind-reading. Indeed, that is certainly helpful. *rolls eyes*

 

[ChristineM]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you have any idea of the difference in pain between having the procedure at infancy and having it in the teens? A great deal more nerve endings have developed by that age.

I'm sure it would be painful for a child as well... No one ever asks though.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I'm sure it would be painful for a child as well... No one ever asks though.

I don't recall having any pain during the procedure. I'm sure I likely would, however, if it was done in my teens.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't recall having any pain during the procedure. I'm sure I likely would, however, if it was done in my teens.

My hubby doesn't recall any pain either. Funnily enough he doesn't recall anything until he was 3

 

[SalixIncendium]

My hubby doesn't recall any pain either. Funnily enough he doesn't recall anything until he was 3

Maybe that's why circumcision is done as an infant rather in the teens then?

 

[ChristineM]

Maybe that's why circumcision is done as an infant rather in the teens then?

Could be. But that doesn't excuse cutting a part of someone's body without consent of the person being cut.

If it were a medical requirement then yes, but its not.

 

[Heyo]

I'm sure it would be painful for a child as well... No one ever asks though.

Not asking but measuring. Early childhood pain does lead to permanent modifications to the brain. That's why today surgery of infants is done under anaesthetics.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The problem here is that you perceive it as a parental choice issue. We are not taking over parents' power though to make that choice, rather we are saying no one else other than the very person that is going to be subjected to this procedure, not even parents, can make that choice.

Choice is a social construct. Children cannot choose, and we choose things for them that are far more important, detrimental or beneficial. It is irrelevant what you think someone ought to do for their child. You won't pay for any of it. You're aren't interested in their child the way that they are. If the parent chooses to abandon the child, that child is totally screwed; but you already don't care about that particular child. Do you see how you are imposing your will where it is not needed?

 

[syo]

Should circumcision of male infants or children be banned

Yes.

should religious exemptions be granted

No.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Not asking but measuring.

I'm sure most of us did that at some point.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's ask them!

After the fact isn't obtaining proper consent.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think there are those in this thread that are conflating "should it not be done" with "should it be banned."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is it one blink for yes and two for no? I can never remember.

It's a permanent body modification that rarely serves any medical need. That means a clear and informed consent must be obtained or the procedure is an unethical and immoral violation of bodily autonomy.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It's a permanent body modification that rarely serves any medical need. That means a clear and informed consent must be obtained or the procedure is an unethical and immoral violation of bodily autonomy.

According to what?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but do you have any idea of the difference in pain between having the procedure at infancy and having it in the teens? A great deal more nerve endings have developed by that age.

Those nerve endings are already there, amd I'm not sure there's any difference in pain. It's probably far worse for the infants as to my knowledge no anesthesia is used, and it gices the baby a very early shot of brain-malforming stress hormones.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

According to what?

According to basic human decency and rights.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It occurs to me...

This was likely the first tip I ever left.

 

[SalixIncendium]

According to basic human decency and rights.

I don't find my parents indecent humans (well at least for that reason) and don't feel my rights have been violated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't find my parents indecent humans (well at least for that reason) and don't feel my rights have been violated.

The act itself is if you were unable to consent to it. You may not feel your rights were violated, but they probably were I assume there was no real reason to have it done. Amd in America it's generally done anymore as a tradition, and what makes it cultural barbarism is the tradition is rooted in America's traditional Christian beliefs and unfortunate anti-sex views.

 

[SalixIncendium]

The act itself is if you were unable to consent to it. You may not feel your rights were violated, but they probably were I assume there was no real reason to have it done. Amd in America it's generally done anymore as a tradition, and what makes it cultural barbarism is the tradition is rooted in America's traditional Christian beliefs and unfortunate anti-sex views.

Sure there was a reason. I was Catholic.

If you don't mind sharing...were you circumcised? No need to answer if it makes you uncomfortable.

Anti-sex views??!