Should porn sites require IDs

[VoidCat]

Should porn sites require IDs so kids wont use them? I think they should but not now. There needs to be time to fix technical issues so it would be safe to have ID checks done privacy concerns. I know only a few states in the US require IDs maybe other countries have implemented them as a requirement and have solved those privacy issues?

 

[an anarchist]

Should porn sites require IDs so kids wont use them? I think they should but not now. There needs to be time to fix technical issues so it would be safe to have ID checks done privacy concerns. I know only a few states in the US require IDs maybe other countries have implemented them as a requirement and have solved those privacy issues?

I think porn is one of those taboo subjects that don’t get talked about enough, to society’s detriment. Schools will run educational anti drug campaigns, but they never run educational anti porn campaigns.

The danger and detriment that porn can cause to an individual is something often overlooked by society, in my opinion. Until we as a collective are able to be honest with our selves and say “yes, it is a problem” nothing will get done.

Parents might feel too awkward talking to their kids about sex and the harmful effects of porn. I know my dad never even gave me the “birds and bees” talk.

We ID at bars and nobody has a problem with that. I think it’d be smart to ID on the sites as well, the technology is there. Idk how secure it is but whenever I do government benefit stuff on the computer or phone, the government sites scan my ID to verify my identity. So the tech exists.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Should porn sites require IDs so kids wont use them? I think they should but not now. There needs to be time to fix technical issues so it would be safe to have ID checks done privacy concerns. I know only a few states in the US require IDs maybe other countries have implemented them as a requirement and have solved those privacy issues?

No, but there should be something else done. Something should be done but not that. Lets think of a better idea.

A few problems in my opinion:
1. This removes privacy from adults who view porn, so its a potential source of blackmail particularly blackmail of politicians. Sounds funny, but some people deeply resent and fear having their habits exposed. The shear amount of porn traffic compared to the population shows this. We already know that people get blackmailed by hackers. I don't want my Republican or Democrat politicians so easily blackmailed through their weakness. Remember that almost no integrity is required to run for office, but a reputation is. USA does have enemies who will try to exploit these kinds of weaknesses.

2. Kids can get around it, so it will stop some from initial contact but we'll presume the problem solved though it won't actually be solved. Its about the same as putting porn mags under a tablecloth. That's the level of security being proffered.

3. Porn producers might gain access to much more than just an ID. How many of them actually give a darn about people? I mean considering what we hear about Porn Hub for example. Much info about us can be obtained from something as simple as a credit card transaction. Its dangerous to give out details such as DOB. Even though people seem to inanely sling around their personal details and DOB: please do not. Its a bad idea. That seemingly innocuous bit of information (DOB or other) is a key to your entire identity -- to becoming you. Its often enough to convince dum support people to give out more info such as your sim card info or to reset a password. My bank still insists on suggesting texts for verification though that is completely insecure. Call that 2 factor identification? I don't. All it takes is me losing my phone or someone fooling the phone company. Related to that its not Ok to give out your DOB or other personal info. Nothing. Maybe you aren't a target, but people you know are. You don't know how your personal info will be used against you or them. Don't ever use your real DOB online unless its absolutely necessary and absolutely secure, which it probably isn't.

4. So lets find another way to protect children from porn than a simple child proof cap, which is what secureid is. How about making it illegal to allow children on the net without parents present? That sends a loud message, and it gives parents a clear signal that the internet is not safe for kids. None of it is. Discord isn't. Facebook isn't. Its not just the porn that is dangerous.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Should porn sites require IDs so kids wont use them? I think they should but not now. There needs to be time to fix technical issues so it would be safe to have ID checks done privacy concerns. I know only a few states in the US require IDs maybe other countries have implemented them as a requirement and have solved those privacy issues?

Nope just the certification that you're over the age of 18 that's all it's required. People don't need to be given things like their driver's license or their home addresses or any other b******* like that to be put on a government database.

 

[The Hammer]

No, but there should be something else done. Something should be done but not that. Lets think of a better idea.

A few problems in my opinion:
1. This removes privacy from adults who view porn, so its a potential source of blackmail particularly blackmail of politicians. Sounds funny, but some people deeply resent and fear having their habits exposed. The shear amount of porn traffic compared to the population shows this. We already know that people get blackmailed by hackers. I don't want my Republican or Democrat politicians so easily blackmailed through their weakness. Remember that almost no integrity is required to run for office, but a reputation is. USA does have enemies who will try to exploit these kinds of weaknesses.

2. Kids can get around it, so it will stop some from initial contact but we'll presume the problem solved though it won't actually be solved. Its about the same as putting porn mags under a tablecloth. That's the level of security being proffered.

3. Porn producers might gain access to much more than just an ID. How many of them actually give a darn about people? I mean considering what we hear about Porn Hub for example. Much info about us can be obtained from something as simple as a credit card transaction. Its dangerous to give out details such as DOB. Even though people seem to inanely sling around their personal details and DOB: please do not. Its a bad idea. That seemingly innocuous bit of information (DOB or other) is a key to your entire identity -- to becoming you. Its often enough to convince dum support people to give out more info such as your sim card info or to reset a password. My bank still insists on suggesting texts for verification though that is completely insecure. Call that 2 factor identification? I don't. All it takes is me losing my phone or someone fooling the phone company. Related to that its not Ok to give out your DOB or other personal info. Nothing. Maybe you aren't a target, but people you know are. You don't know how your personal info will be used against you or them. Don't ever use your real DOB online unless its absolutely necessary and absolutely secure, which it probably isn't.

4. So lets find another way to protect children from porn than a simple child proof cap, which is what secureid is. How about making it illegal to allow children on the net without parents present? That sends a loud message, and it gives parents a clear signal that the internet is not safe for kids. None of it is. Discord isn't. Facebook isn't. Its not just the porn that is dangerous.

You had me going until the 4th quarter.

Not sure that's really going to be enforceable. And I'm not sure that it solves the problem either, because parents that don't care could "authorize their presence" or whatever and leave them unsupervised.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You had me going until the 4th quarter.

Not sure that's really going to be enforceable. And I'm not sure that it solves the problem either, because parents that don't care could "authorize their presence" or whatever and leave them unsupervised.

Good points. I suppose secure ID is the only remaining viable idea. Now we merely have to get the government to officially decide what is and isn't pornography.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes. If you have to show ID when you buy it in person, you should have to show it when you buy it or look at it online. They need to put more restrictions on those gore sites, too. They need to do more to keep minors away from those things.

 

[SalixIncendium]

No. It's up to parents, not the government, to monitor what their kids are looking at online.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think we are a bit late, as usual, to the consequences of what we do (often simply being market-driven), and as with allowing smartphones for younger children, it will not be so easy to remove the availability of porn with regards children, given that what controls we might put in place, so often the get-outs will be found and passed around - as much information is amongst children in general. So for one or two generations we might be on to a loser. However, if we do get very much more advanced AI, then this might be effective enough to remove from children that which will likely not be useful to them - so AI on their shoulders, and snooping at what they do, until old enough.

Disregarding the opinions of those who seem to think that this kind of thing (available porn for whoever) is just progress and children should be open to all things sexual. The problem is that children haven't essentially changed from when I was one, and where the sight of naked breasts was about all we saw. Now the floodgates have opened and nothing is held back - unfortunately.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We ID at bars and nobody has a problem with that. I think it’d be smart to ID on the sites as well, the technology is there. Idk how secure it is but whenever I do government benefit stuff on the computer or phone, the government sites scan my ID to verify my identity. So the tech exists.

Hmm. Quite bold to compare the mere checking of id's with ones eyes to enter a bar with literally having a computer reading the chip and then doing god-knows-what with that information once it is transmitted to a server farm at the other side of the world in some country where yours probably doesn't have any jurisdiction.

There is no such thing as "secure" tech on the interwebs. There is, at best, only "easy to hack" and "more difficult to hack".

No way in hell I would supply my ID card information to some shady website.
Even for online payments on the most well known most trusted e-shops, I use channels that are completely separate from my "normal" personal lines of payments which are only used for online payments. Mostly through Paypal. And that account is always empty. When I wish to pay something online, I first deposit the exact amount to that account and then use it to pay the online bill.

People or scammers who want to get a hold of my information, will have a very hard time to do it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No. It's up to parents, not the government, to monitor what their kids are looking at online.

This.

My 9-year old just received a chromebook for his school work.
I created an account for him and installed / configured the laptop. It's completely restricted to only being able to consume child-rated material. Everything is logged also. He can't even install any apps without my explicit permission.

Platforms like youtube etc are also restricted access.

I can lock his device with a single press on a button on my phone.

 

[Revoltingest]

Should porn sites require IDs....

No.
Would you trust government to have this info?

 

[VoidCat]

I think the people here who are saying you shouldn't have IDs for porn on websites don't realize parents can be neglectful and not watch kids and just how damaging porn can be for a very young child. Like it's outright traumatic and can permanently damage a kids relationship to sexuality for years. And need therapy for it. I speak from experience here. Yes parents should watch their children. But realistically parents don't always do so not every parent is tech savvy for apps and you can't monitor kids 24/7. Also you can lock your kids phone but you can't lock your kids friends phone. Like @Saint Frankenstein said if you need an ID to view content in person you should virtually. And as @an anarchist said the tech exists. Adults buy alcohol all the time online and use an ID to do so. In fact to me it's similar having to require ID for porn as for alcohol. Alcohol for young children would really mess up a child so we age restrict it across the board instead of just let parents decide.

Also such tech from reading up on it doesnt send the ID to the government. It just checks the age on the ID.

 

[VoidCat]

No.
Would you trust government to have this info?

according to what I've read on the tech the websites are not allowed to keep the info and it doesnt get sent to the government

 

[Mock Turtle]

Any who say that such IDs cannot be done. Do you use and trust online banking?

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think the people here who are saying you shouldn't have IDs for porn on websites don't realize parents can be neglectful and not watch kids and just how damaging porn can be for a very young child.

Nope. I realize this. I just weighed that against the consequences of giving the government that kind of control over the internet and sharing such personal information with private pornography website management companies and their employees.

Child neglect is a crime. Perhaps we should focus on enforcement of those laws rather than create new ones that surrender freedom and privacy and open ways for the government and private entities to drain people's wallets.

 

[VoidCat]

Nope. I realize this. I just weighed that against the consequences of giving the government that kind of control over the internet and sharing such personal information with private pornography website management companies and their employees.

Child neglect is a crime. Perhaps we should focus on enforcement of those laws rather than create new ones that surrender freedom and privacy and open ways for the government and private entities to drain people's wallets.

What if there was a third party that verified it then stated to the site that the person is of age? Like a bank?

Here's the thing...I'm not sure most parents intentionally allow their kids to access porn. Even ones that watch kids like hawks kids still access it. But young children do access it. In large amounts. Just checking a box of yes I'm over 18 isn't enough to verify someone is of age. It just isn't. Like I said it's similar to alcohol buying it online and it being restricted to people old enough to drink rather then allowing kids to buy it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes. If you have to show ID when you buy it in person, you should have to show it when you buy it or look at it online. They need to put more restrictions on those gore sites, too. They need to do more to keep minors away from those things.

Difference is a person dosent have to put it into a database. Showing ID is one thing. Submitting your data is an entirely different animal here and it's dystopian.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We ID at bars and nobody has a problem with that. I think it’d be smart to ID on the sites as well, the technology is there. Idk how secure it is but whenever I do government benefit stuff on the computer or phone, the government sites scan my ID to verify my identity. So the tech exists.

When I go on a website for a liquor brand, I don't have to provide any ID. I just click a button to say "yes, I'm legal drinking age." Occasionally, there will be a thing for me to input my birthdate (but with no way to confirm, so I always put in a fake birthdate).

 

[VoidCat]

When I go on a website for a liquor brand, I don't have to provide any ID. I just click a button to say "yes, I'm legal drinking age." Occasionally, there will be a thing for me to input my birthdate (but with no way to confirm, so I always put in a fake birthdate).

Might be where I live then. We do require in NC to be IDed for porn sites. They use face scanning software and third party apps as well as allow you to take a photo of ID.

But with alcohol I don't drink it I just heard of people putting in ID