Should porn sites require IDs

[an anarchist]

A more pressing question would imo rather be: would you trust the owners (and partners?) of these websites with your info?
Those owners at some point will likely sell their website also, along with that information.

Just make it illegal to sell the information.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Encryption of what, though? Proof of age documents vary greatly around the world.

I suppose anything that could simply be verified as being genuine and not that useful to any attacker on its own. I suppose that is the important thing that no other data would be tied to any evidence given so as to compromise one.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I suppose anything that could simply be verified as being genuine and not that useful to any attacker on its own. I suppose that is the important thing that no other data would be tied to any evidence given so as to compromise one.

Could you give an example of a proof of age document that isn't useful to an attacker?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But it's only about age verification.

You can't do proper age verification without official documents like ID, driver license, etc

Surely this isn't that hard.

The reading of the data isn't hard no. Securing the lines and data, is

Discarded data and all, etc.

On the interwebs, data = money.
Would you discard money?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Just make it illegal to sell the information.

Which would lead to shutting down just about all social media.

I'm all for it, btw. But it's not going to happen.

Having said that, good luck enforcing that when the servers are on some remote island outside of your country's jurisdiction.
And having said that, making it illegal to sell is not going to stop hackers obtaining it either.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Could you give an example of a proof of age document that isn't useful to an attacker?

Not offhand, but I trust a bank with my data. I suppose it is just down to a third party being sufficiently trusted, and liable, to arrange this.

 

[Mock Turtle]

You can't do proper age verification without official documents like ID, driver license, etc


The reading of the data isn't hard no. Securing the lines and data, is


On the interwebs, data = money.
Would you discard money?

I still think it is possible to do, and I for one would agree to take such a test if it meant fewer children having access to what we currently can see.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not offhand, but I trust a bank with my data. I suppose it is just down to a third party being sufficiently trusted, and liable, to arrange this.

And to you, the "reliability" and "trustworthiness" and incentives to secure your data of banks on the one hand is completely on par and comparable to shady companies operating media, let alone porn, websites?

Seriously?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I still think it is possible to do

Yes, it is "possible". The question is not if it is "possible". The question is if it is desirable.

As a software engineer who knows a thing or two about online security (or rather lack thereof) and what internet companies tend to use user data for, I pretty much guarantee you that such systems would create far more problems then they would be solving.

, and I for one would agree to take such a test if it meant fewer children having access to what we currently can see.

What "test"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not offhand, but I trust a bank with my data. I suppose it is just down to a third party being sufficiently trusted, and liable, to arrange this.

Hopefully, you trust your bank because you have justification for that trust, right?

What would a framework look like where that level of trust is justified in a porn site or third party verifier?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yes, it is "possible". The question is not if it is "possible". The question is if it is desirable.

As a software engineer who knows a thing or two about online security (or rather lack thereof) and what internet companies tend to use user data for, I pretty much guarantee you that such systems would create far more problems then they would be solving.

Well it no doubt might need to be a government authority.

What "test"?

As to providing evidence and trusting whoever with such, or even as to any other procedure.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Hopefully, you trust your bank because you have justification for that trust, right?

Well, I trust Amazon with my details but I don't let my debit card details to remain on their site, given that hacking is so prevalent as to such data. But I use it frequently as I do online banking. No issues as to a few decades use.

What would a framework look like where that level of trust is justified in a porn site or third party verifier?

The third party would have to be liable - like a bank - if information/data was misused or leaked.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well it no doubt might need to be a government authority.

Ow, great. Now the government knows which of their citizens consumes which types of media.

As to providing evidence and trusting whoever with such, or even as to any other procedure.

I trust no internet company with my information. None at all.

 

[Mock Turtle]

And to you, the "reliability" and "trustworthiness" and incentives to secure your data of banks on the one hand is completely on par and comparable to shady companies operating media, let alone porn, websites?

Seriously?

Well it wouldn't be the porn websites that had any access to any personal data. All they would have is a recognition that a certain person was over 18 - and coming from some government controlled authority, with liabilities over the data they held.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Ow, great. Now the government knows which of their citizens consumes which types of media.

I'm not sure that would necessarily happen, if the transactions were made to be anonymous - as to data being discarded and only some 'token' remaining, and which couldn't be tracked.

I trust no internet company with my information. None at all.

I'm not that trusting either, but I can't see another solution that would keep porn away from kids.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm not that trusting either, but I can't see another solution that would keep porn away from kids.

I think one approach would be to toughen laws against "revenge porn."

When it's a literal crime to share explicit material without permission of the people in the material, site operators would hopefully not risk jail time by just taking the word of an anonymous user that they have permission to upload the video they're uploading.

I think this would kill the business model for free porn sites, leaving it to the original producers - the people who actually have all the required releases on file - to be the only ones willing to post the content online, but to actually make a business case for this, they'd need to get their revenue from direct fees to users... i.e. put their content behind a paywall.

This wouldn't make the content completely unavailable to kids, but I'd say that the number of kids with their own credit card whose statements don't go to their parents is pretty low.

 

[VoidCat]

I think one approach would be to toughen laws against "revenge porn."

When it's a literal crime to share explicit material without permission of the people in the material, site operators would hopefully not risk jail time by just taking the word of an anonymous user that they have permission to upload the video they're uploading.

I think this would kill the business model for free porn sites, leaving it to the original producers - the people who actually have all the required releases on file - to be the only ones willing to post the content online, but to actually make a business case for this, they'd need to get their revenue from direct fees to users... i.e. put their content behind a paywall.

This wouldn't make the content completely unavailable to kids, but I'd say that the number of kids with their own credit card whose statements don't go to their parents is pretty low.

Free porn is unethical anyway. Actors deserve pay for their work.

 

[VoidCat]

@9-10ths_Penguin I don't know enough about the porn industry to say for sure if your proposal would work. I do know I believe laws against revenge porn should be stricter in general however. I also if more regulations around recruitment would be helpful in order to make things safer for actors

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Free porn is unethical anyway. Actors deserve pay for their work.

Sure, but nobody gets extradited for copyright infringement. People do get extradited for sex crimes.

 

[VoidCat]

I also have another reason IDs should be required. For safety of actors. If it was possible to redo the whole industry and add tons of regulation then actors could make a website where only other porn actors and such can access and blacklist certain users. If you require an ID and someone harasses you perhaps try to pressure you into things you don't want to do as an actor you then could ban them from the site and put that on the blacklist site with the reason so other sex workers know to watch out for said person. I don't know if this solution would work too well for online sex work as you could just borrow someone elses ID but if in person sex work was made legal in US and there was tons of regulations such a blacklist could be really helpful.