Should porn sites require IDs

[VoidCat]

The porn of decades ago is very different from the hardcore porn of today. The most extreme thing you'd see in old timey porn is some bondage, really (thinking of figures like the great Bettie Page). It's far more graphic and demeaning these days.

You should see some the stuff the Victorians made...lot of their written porn and photography would not fly today and is wild. A result of a very prudish society. Not saying your point isn't valid. Could be decades ago it was not as extreme as today but the Victorian era which was a longer time then just a few decades ago was wild.

Random factoid. Has nothing to do with the discussion just infodumping I guess. Have no clue why I am even adding it to the convo just was random thought into head.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You should see some the stuff the Victorians made...lot of their written porn and photography would not fly today and is wild. A result of a very prudish society. Not saying your point isn't valid. Could be decades ago it was not as extreme as today but the Victorian era which was a longer time then just a few decades ago was wild.

Random factoid. Has nothing to do with the discussion just infodumping I guess. Have no clue why I am even adding it to the convo just was random thought into head.

I was referring to hardcore porn videos and how that has gotten far more extreme over the decades.

 

[Alien826]

Have you ever used netflix? It's a streaming service. There is no "material in the hands of..."
You can't access the media without logging in. And to obtain an account, you need to pay first.

It's not that secure. Lots of kids watch Netflix without having their own account. Until recently, Netflix was OK with sharing a login code with anyone. Now they've restricted it to just family members. We access Netflix through Roku, and it automatically logs in to Netflix when we select it. To get into Roku, all we have to do is switch on the TV and Roku box with the remote. Anyone who knows how can do it. No passwords or verification required. Netflix doesn't have X-rated stuff, R-rated is about the limit, but there is still stuff I might not want a child (there are none in my household) watching, but for a child alone in the house it's all wide open. (I'm sure you know this, but I have to say that your idea would not work).

Back when I had the Playboy channel on cable (no children in the household then either), it was the same. Turn it on and select the channel. A TV has no idea who is watching it.

I'm afraid it still comes down to parental control.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If it is anonymous, then you can't verify age.


I think I do. Make them paid services like netflix.
8-year olds will likely not have access to payment methods.

It is hard to stop free services. Porn sites make tons of money from ads and convincing some to pay for "better porn". I do not know how one could legislate that they would have to charge.

I think that the only solution will be open communication between parents and children and a lot of them will still opt to look at porn . Education is the best defense. Porn is no more real than professional wrestling. Education may help avoid the bad behavior and beliefs about sex that too many young people have.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Porn is no more real than professional wrestling.

It's still real people doing those things. Even adults have trouble psychologically with it, let alone minors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's still real people doing those things. Even adults have trouble psychologically with it, let alone minors.

That is true. The sex drive is extremely strong among people. Perhaps government provide brothels? Okay, we are clearly not ready for that. But it would be safer for both workers and consumers. There are streets in Seattle where they are no longer family friendly. I could probably link a YouTube video if I looked for it, but even those are not family friendly. Those streets are a hard PG-13 to just drive on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is true. The sex drive is extremely strong among people. Perhaps government provide brothels? Okay, we are clearly not ready for that. But it would be safer for both workers and consumers. There are streets in Seattle where they are no longer family friendly. I could probably link a YouTube video if I looked for it, but even those are not family friendly. Those streets are a hard PG-13 to just drive on.

I'd prefer if people get ahold of themselves and stop this sex obsession, especially in popular media. Particularly with online porn, it's warping the perceptions of young people, especially young men and it's hard for them to have healthy relationships. Gen Z doesn't have as much sex as older generations, and it's because they'd rather watch porn. A similar thing is happening in East Asia, as young people are more and more tied to the Internet in every aspect of their lives, and so the young people don't know how to function socially anymore. I've seen this in myself and others, to varying extents. I've known a lot of porn addicts.

I don't know what exactly to do about it, but hardcore porn needs to be less readily available. It's just a huge mess.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'd prefer if people get ahold of themselves and stop this sex obsession, especially in popular media. Particularly with online porn, it's warping the perceptions of young people, especially young men and it's hard for them to have healthy relationships. Gen Z doesn't have as much sex as older generations, and it's because they'd rather watch porn. A similar thing is happening in East Asia, as young people are more and more tied to the Internet in every aspect of their lives, and so the young people don't know how to function socially anymore. I've seen this in myself and others, to varying extents. I've known a lot of porn addicts.

I don't know what exactly to do about it, but hardcore porn needs to be less readily available. It's just a huge mess.

Sorry, but nature made sure that would not happen. Not all people have the same sex drive so it is irrational to base one's solutions solely upon how one feels. On line porn sources merely take advantage of the drive. And the best solution is still education. That means that parents will have to do a bit of work, but that is part of being a parent. It is not supposed to be easy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry, but nature made sure that would not happen. Not all people have the same sex drive so it is irrational to base one's solutions solely upon how one feels. On line porn sources merely take advantage of the drive. And the best solution is still education. That means that parents will have to do a bit of work, but that is part of being a parent. It is not supposed to be easy.

Nature wanted us to have sex for reproduction (that's the reason sex exists in the first place), and that ain't what's going on here. We didn't evolve to sit in front of a screen, touching ourselves. I am not asexual and this isn't about my "feelings".

"Education" won't change a thing, just like adults telling kids not to do something doesn't really make them them stop. So that's no solution at all. The best one I can think of is requiring ID verification like I said before. The privacy thing can be worked out, but I'll admit to not caring that much about it as privacy effectively ceased to exist years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nature wanted us to have sex for reproduction (that's the reason sex exists in the first place), and that ain't what's going on here. We didn't evolve to sit in front of a screen, touching ourselves. I am not asexual and this isn't about my "feelings".

"Education" won't change a thing, just like adults telling kids not to do something doesn't really make them them stop. So that's no solution at all. The best one I can think of is requiring ID verification like I said before. The privacy thing can be worked out, but I'll admit to not caring that much about it as privacy effectively ceased to exist years ago.

Nope. Nature just found a sex drive useful. One has to be careful about imputing a human nature into nature. I may have been guilty of that a bit myself. We are born with a sex drive. Some people have a stronger one than others. I tend to be a bit too picky, but in college we all knew a horn dog or too that kept the unattractive women happy. If people do not have a partner they are going to look for relief, again depending upon the individual, somewhere else. One cannot say "Well I can go without so I do not see how why anyone else cannot do so". That is the sort of attitude that too many straight people have about gay and trans people. "Heck, I am not interested in my own sex or feel sexual dysphoria so no one else should either". That sort of reasoning just does not work in the real world.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nope. Nature just found a sex drive useful. One has to be careful about imputing a human nature into nature. I may have been guilty of that a bit myself. We are born with a sex drive. Some people have a stronger one than others. I tend to be a bit too picky, but in college we all knew a horn dog or too that kept the unattractive women happy. If people do not have a partner they are going to look for relief, again depending upon the individual, somewhere else. One cannot say "Well I can go without so I do not see how why anyone else cannot do so". That is the sort of attitude that too many straight people have about gay and trans people. "Heck, I am not interested in my own sex or feel sexual dysphoria so no one else should either". That sort of reasoning just does not work in the real world.

The sexual function's primary use is for reproduction. That's just reality. I'm not going to argue about a biological fact that holds true for all sexually reproducing species in existence. The rest of that post was irrelevant to the topic or anything I've said. The topic is online porn and its impact on young people.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The sexual function's primary use is for reproduction. That's just reality. I'm not going to argue about a biological fact that holds true for all sexually reproducing species in existence. The rest of that post was irrelevant to the topic or anything I've said. The topic is online porn and its impact on young people.

No, that is only true in a very narrow biological sense. It has many other uses too and those vary with age. None of them are the only use. None of them are the right use.

 

[Revoltingest]

The porn of decades ago is very different from the hardcore porn of today. The most extreme thing you'd see in old timey porn is some bondage, really (thinking of figures like the great Bettie Page). It's far more graphic and demeaning these days.

I know.
I watched smokers before you were even born.

 

[PureX]

I don't think age restrictions on porn access would be workable.

I also don't think it addresses the problem of porn, at all.

 

[Alien826]

No, that is only true in a very narrow biological sense. It has many other uses too and those vary with age. None of them are the only use. None of them are the right use.

Yes, I hear this "it's mainly for reproduction" so often, but then there's pair bonding. Because of our greater intelligence, humans need an extended childhood. A puppy is pretty much independent in a few months. For humans it's, what? Sixteen years? More children survive if both parents stick around for that length of time. So men need some reason to stay. Recreational sex is one such reason. So, women have permanent breasts (I don't think other females mammals do). They are attractive to men. Women are sexually receptive when not fertile. And so on.

Something else I remember. Long ago in England there was a lady call Mary Whitehouse. She led a campaign against "smut" on TV (pretty innocuous compared to now) and had people counting cuss words in TV programs. Anyway, I watched a program that discussed it, for and against. A psychiatrist (I think) said something that has stuck in my mind. "It's just people with low libidos trying to control people with high libidos".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I know.
I watched smokers before you were even born.

I don't know what that is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's not that secure. Lots of kids watch Netflix without having their own account.

Only because their parents (or whatever other account owner) lets them.

Until recently, Netflix was OK with sharing a login code with anyone. Now they've restricted it to just family members. We access Netflix through Roku, and it automatically logs in to Netflix when we select it.

Auto-login is a feature.

To get into Roku, all we have to do is switch on the TV and Roku box with the remote. Anyone who knows how can do it. No passwords or verification required. Netflix doesn't have X-rated stuff, R-rated is about the limit, but there is still stuff I might not want a child (there are none in my household) watching, but for a child alone in the house it's all wide open. (I'm sure you know this, but I have to say that your idea would not work).

It would work. You are assuming identical implementation of Netflix for the login process. This doesn't need to be the case.
You are also talking about the netflix app. It doesn't have to be an app either. You can also keep it just on a website.

Back when I had the Playboy channel on cable (no children in the household then either), it was the same. Turn it on and select the channel. A TV has no idea who is watching it.

On my setup-box, there are also paid porn channels available if you pay extra.
If you zap to those channels, the box asks for a 6-digit password. A password that you can reset at any time.
I don't have the channels and if you select them, it's just a black screen telling you you need to upgrade the connection for x euros to access them. But even then the 6-digit code is asked, even only to see the black screen.

I'm afraid it still comes down to parental control.

Indeed. But I'ld figure that paid for channels that require a login and password, which don't have auto-login features, would already be much better then simply typing "b00bs" into google and being served with a gazillion links to free porn sites, right?

 

[stvdv]

Should porn sites require IDs so kids wont use them?

1) What is your goal?
* To keep young minds pure
2) Do porn sites create pure minds?
* NO
3) Therefore, should porn sites be banned?
* YES, for kids
* YES, for adults

No IDs required. Just a total porn ban.

 

[Alien826]

1) What is your goal?
* To keep young minds pure
2) Do porn sites create pure minds?
* NO
3) Therefore, should porn sites be banned?
* YES, for kids
* YES, for adults

No IDs required. Just a total porn ban.

Define "pure" (in this context). If you mean lacking sexual thoughts, you have a big job on your hands.

 

[Subduction Zone]

On my setup-box, there are also paid porn channels available if you pay extra.
If you zap to those channels, the box asks for a 6-digit password. A password that you can reset at any time.
I don't have the channels and if you select them, it's just a black screen telling you you need to upgrade the connection for x euros to access them. But even then the 6-digit code is asked, even only to see the black screen.

Yeah, I had to activate that in my house when my housemate had her son in the house for a while. He was old enough to watch, but he was not old enough to pay.

The problem I have with this is how does one enforce such laws? Especially since the internet is global. I do not use it, but even my basic antivirus has a built in VPN that would allow me to act as if I was using the internet from a different country.