Should porn sites require IDs

[VoidCat]

Sure, but nobody gets extradited for copyright infringement. People do get extradited for sex crimes.

Very true.

 

[VoidCat]

To clarify...While requiring ID would help kids not accidently come across porn it wouldn't stop kids from doing so intentionally. You can always borrow an ID. But a lot of children come across it accidently that's why I think it's an ok idea. Just not sure on effectiveness and concerned about privacy stuff.

 

[Alien826]

Here we go again. "Won't anyone think of the children!"

Yet again adults are being limited in what they can do on the basis of a supposed harm to children. Smoking. Alcohol. Video games. NC is, I note a very religious state. And that tends to produce restrictions on things that religious people don't like. And introducing children as a motivation is a time tested method.

Somehow these things come and go and we still survive. How about a more practical approach?

Determine if there is really harm to children. If it is to a significant extent, continue, otherwise subject closed.

Note that this is similar to alcohol and smoking, that is activities that a lot of people want to do and will do regardless of laws. Note also the way both have been handled and the results. Prohibition banned drinking alcohol, and resulted in the creation of an group of criminals that did more harm than alcohol ever would. Smoking is definitely harmful but it seems that we had enough sense not to ban it. Societal pressure has reduced smoking dramatically.

Conclusion, if you ban porn, or make it too dangerous to "register" or whatever, a black market will emerge. And that will be worse than the current situation, I guarantee. I do suggest banning certain types of porn (certainly child porn!) from all web sites. That may be already the case, but we could (cautiously) extend it to other things that scientific research establishes as harmful to children.

 

[an anarchist]

we could (cautiously) extend it to other things that scientific research establishes as harmful to children.

I think porn in it’s entirety is harmful to children. That is the accepted opinion.

 

[Alien826]

I think porn in it’s entirety is harmful to children. That is the accepted opinion.

No doubt you have some scientific peer reviewed study to point to? Great if you do. But I find that mostly these things boil down to "of course it's harmful, because I don't like it".

 

[VoidCat]

Here we go again. "Won't anyone think of the children!"

Yet again adults are being limited in what they can do on the basis of a supposed harm to children. Smoking. Alcohol. Video games. NC is, I note a very religious state. And that tends to produce restrictions on things that religious people don't like. And introducing children as a motivation is a time tested method.

Somehow these things come and go and we still survive. How about a more practical approach?

Determine if there is really harm to children. If it is to a significant extent, continue, otherwise subject closed.

Note that this is similar to alcohol and smoking, that is activities that a lot of people want to do and will do regardless of laws. Note also the way both have been handled and the results. Prohibition banned drinking alcohol, and resulted in the creation of an group of criminals that did more harm than alcohol ever would. Smoking is definitely harmful but it seems that we had enough sense not to ban it. Societal pressure has reduced smoking dramatically.

Conclusion, if you ban porn, or make it too dangerous to "register" or whatever, a black market will emerge. And that will be worse than the current situation, I guarantee. I do suggest banning certain types of porn (certainly child porn!) from all web sites. That may be already the case, but we could (cautiously) extend it to other things that scientific research establishes as harmful to children.

Yes porn can be harmful to children. Very harmful. In fact many cases of child on child sexual abuse where both children are under teenage years, the older child usually has had an early exposure to porn and its possible because kids mimick what they see porn can influence that behavior. Even without a child abusing another it still can be very traumatizing to a child. No where in this thread did I suggest banning porn. Yeah I like the idea of IDs but to be honest I'm not sold on effectiveness and privacy concerns.

I do think we need to protect young children particularly those 10 and under from porn. It's been proven the harm of it.

 

[VoidCat]

No doubt you have some scientific peer reviewed study to point to? Great if you do. But I find that mostly these things boil down to "of course it's harmful, because I don't like it".

Sure give me a sec.

 

[Alien826]

Here's a link that i just found.

Is porn harmful? The evidence, the myths and the unknowns

Pornography is now only an internet search away, and is becoming ever more immersive. How is it changing people’s behaviour, relationships and desires?

www.bbc.com

CONCLUSIONS?


Watching porn has been linked to a multitude of problems for individuals and wider society – but for every study maligning it, another clears its name. Often, evidence is mixed, and the research methods and sample sizes of studies have their limitations.

Will the future of ever-more immersive porn may bring with it more risks? It’s too early to say.

The question of cause and effect comes up a lot with research into porn: does porn attract more people with sexually aggressive tendencies, those who are in unhappy relationships, those with smaller reward systems in their brain and those with sexual addiction – or does it cause these things? It’s a tricky area to research – but until the answers are more definitive, the evidence so far suggests that the likelihood that porn has a negative effect very much depends on the individual consuming it.

 

[VoidCat]

Here's one study:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/car.1092

I have to get kids up soon. I don't really feel like defending the idea that porn is harmful to kids. I have too much trauma surround porn and being exposed to it as a child to do so.

Here's a link that i just found.

Is porn harmful? The evidence, the myths and the unknowns

Pornography is now only an internet search away, and is becoming ever more immersive. How is it changing people’s behaviour, relationships and desires?

www.bbc.com

That's on porn in general I'm guessing? Haven't clicked on link yet. I'm not talking about in general but children. Seriously why would you think it's OK for kids to be exposed to porn? Kids are not mature enough for that level of sexual content. This is different then educational content for kids...this is exposing kids to sexual acts beyond their ability to understand.

 

[VoidCat]

Here's one study:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/car.1092

I have to get kids up soon. I don't really feel like defending the idea that porn is harmful to kids. I have too much trauma surround porn and being exposed to it as a child to do so.


That's on porn in general I'm guessing? Haven't clicked on link. I'm not talking about in general but children. Seriously why would you think it's OK for kids to be exposed to porn? Kids are not mature enough for that level of sexual content. This is different then educational content for kids...this is exposing kids to sexual acts beyond their ability to understand.

I genuinely thought this was common knowledge. Porn is harmful to young kids. This is why parents don't give 5 year olds access to porn. It can literally traumatize them. Young children don't need access to porn.

 

[VoidCat]

@Alien826
It's illegal to distribute porn to minors in the US. Or send sexual content to them. You do know this right? And that law is there for good reason. Because it's harmful for kids to be exposed to that level of sexuality when they aren't old enough to understand it.

 

[Alien826]

That link doesn't seem to have the whole paper, just a statement of the conclusions.

I have to get kids up soon. I don't really feel like defending the idea that porn is harmful to kids. I have too much trauma surround porn and being exposed to it as a child to do so.

I'm sorry to hear that, and accept that you don't want to discuss it further.

That's on porn in general I'm guessing? Haven't clicked on link yet. I'm not talking about in general but children. Seriously why would you think it's OK for kids to be exposed to porn? Kids are not mature enough for that level of sexual content. This is different then educational content for kids...this is exposing kids to sexual acts beyond their ability to understand.

Yes, it was about adults. It did at least establish (or suggest?) that porn doesn't actually cause any harmful behavior in adults. The old correlation/causation thing, right?

I genuinely thought this was common knowledge. Porn is harmful to young kids. This is why parents don't give 5 year olds access to porn. It can literally traumatize them. Young children don't need access to porn.

OK, you are continuing anyway.

It may be "common knowledge" but that doesn't make it correct. Again, to find the correct answer we need properly conducted studies.

@Alien826
It's illegal to distribute porn to minors in the US. Or send sexual content to them. You do know this right? And that law is there for good reason. Because it's harmful for kids to be exposed to that level of sexuality when they aren't old enough to understand it.

I didn't know that. I know that a teen boy texting a picture of his penis to a girl under 18 can get him branded as a sex offender for life. Once again, though, making something illegal doesn't establish that it's "bad". It just means that enough people thought it was to motivate passing the law.

Let me make it clear. I'm not saying that child access to porn (not child porn) is either good or bad. I'm just suggesting that if we make something that a large majority of adults want illegal then we should be very sure of the facts before proceeding. Also, if this is upsetting you then by all means let's leave it. The last thing I want to do is stir up unpleasant memories.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What if there was a third party that verified it then stated to the site that the person is of age? Like a bank?

Here's the thing...I'm not sure most parents intentionally allow their kids to access porn. Even ones that watch kids like hawks kids still access it. But young children do access it. In large amounts. Just checking a box of yes I'm over 18 isn't enough to verify someone is of age. It just isn't. Like I said it's similar to alcohol buying it online and it being restricted to people old enough to drink rather then allowing kids to buy it.

When I was younger when you were of drinking age , we had something called the sheriff's ID which was a card you can produce that allowed you to purchase alcohol and cigarettes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I genuinely thought this was common knowledge. Porn is harmful to young kids. This is why parents don't give 5 year olds access to porn. It can literally traumatize them. Young children don't need access to porn.

Yeah, certain things you shouldn't have to explain. Some people here really worry me. I personally just give up trying to explain simple things, throw them on ignore and hope for the best.

 

[VoidCat]

That link doesn't seem to have the whole paper, just a statement of the conclusions.

I'm sorry to hear that, and accept that you don't want to discuss it further.

Yes, it was about adults. It did at least establish (or suggest?) that porn doesn't actually cause any harmful behavior in adults. The old correlation/causation thing, right?

OK, you are continuing anyway.

It may be "common knowledge" but that doesn't make it correct. Again, to find the correct answer we need properly conducted studies.



I didn't know that. I know that a teen boy texting a picture of his penis to a girl under 18 can get him branded as a sex offender for life. Once again, though, making something illegal doesn't establish that it's "bad". It just means that enough people thought it was to motivate passing the law.

Let me make it clear. I'm not saying that child access to porn (not child porn) is either good or bad. I'm just suggesting that if we make something that a large majority of adults want illegal then we should be very sure of the facts before proceeding. Also, if this is upsetting you then by all means let's leave it. The last thing I want to do is stir up unpleasant memories.

Let's leave it.

 

[Revoltingest]

A more pressing question would imo rather be: would you trust the owners (and partners?) of these websites with your info?
Those owners at some point will likely sell their website also, along with that information.

And let's not even mention what potentially happens when hackers get a hold of that data.

As I thought I said, I don’t trust both.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Determine if there is really harm to children. If it is to a significant extent, continue, otherwise subject closed.

It has been demonstrated, repeatedly by secular research, that exposure to pornography does indeed have the potential to damage children. I even got to see it professionally with children doing the stuff a careless caretaker exposed them to.
And your link was porn in general, for adult consumption amd it didn't look at children. It's two different subjects.

 

[Revoltingest]

Parent's responsibility - but where so often it just doesn't happen.

Ain’t nuthin perfect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think it would be more effective to teach parents how to secure the computers can't show such things, continue addressing "boys will be boys" to reduce forced exposure (including not just porn but violent content) amd work with society to improve things rather than force an easily worked around law.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ain’t nuthin perfect.

When it comes to topics related to sex parents as a whole and collectively are utterly failing to teach their kids, with few parents actually teaching their kids (something about 25%) (the study is in a book so there is no link).