Should pornography be banned?

[Gjallarhorn]

I'm not talking about people's fantasies. People can fantasize about whatever they want. I'm talking about porn with drunk people in it.

Eh. I don't like drunk porn mainly because drunk people are extremely obnoxious.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Eh. I don't like drunk porn mainly because drunk people are extremely obnoxious.

Okay. I'm more concerned about issues of consent. I've seen some videos where a woman was so drunk, she was on the verge of passing out. It was basically rape. The thing is, you can't really be sure if the people in the video you're watching have actually consented or not.

 

[columbus]

I've seen some videos where a woman was so drunk, she was on the verge of passing out.

You need to find better porn.

Tom

 

[Gjallarhorn]

You need to find better porn.

Tom

Agreed. Never seen anything like that, nor have I tried.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You need to find better porn.

I wasn't watching it for enjoyment.

Agreed. Never seen anything like that, nor have I tried.

The topic was frat boys and the video was one of those college party videos and it is part of a rather popular series of those sort of videos.

 

[columbus]

I wasn't watching it for enjoyment. .

I'm sure you were doing research for your GED thesis.

Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm sure you were doing research for your GED thesis.

I didn't say I don't watch porn or meant to make it look like that. I do watch it, but sometimes it's just because I'm bored and I look through clips rather than because I'm horny and looking for wank material.

The not so thinly veiled insult at my intelligence was not needed.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Oh, why don't you guys get off Frankenstein.

If anyone spends time on the Internet, such as YouTube, or click "I'm feeling lucky" on Google, you're bound to see things you did not intend to see and that you didn't want to see. Trying to pin Frankenstein to the wall is becoming precariously close to harassment.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, why don't you guys get off Frankenstein.

If anyone spends time on the Internet, such as YouTube, or click "I'm feeling lucky" on Google, you're bound to see things you did not intend to see and that you didn't want to see. Trying to pin Frankenstein to the wall is becoming precariously close to harassment.

Thanks. It's distracting from the issue at hand.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What is there to say? Lack of consent is bad.


No, seriously, what else is there to say about this issue?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

It doesn't take that much imagination to find good ways to use our time. Just the inner strength and love for each other this world lacks the most.

Sure, but these things you addressed about getting rid of in the previous post came from imaginative ways to use time. They touch on human intrinsic pleasures, to limit human pleasures is to limit humans. Safety vs freedom, what is more important. That's where it all comes down to, and I find freedom to be.

Pornography is a poison that destroys families and individuals alike.

Only because people let it be. It wouldn't be if it weren't viewed as a negative thing.

The women you find on your porn sites might not be women at all — they could be children — and there’s no way for you to know for sure. Any avid porn customer has most likely at some point been a child porn customer, whether he knew it or not.

When I hear men defending porn I normally ask them, since they find it so great, if they would be OK with their wives and daughters going into the porn industry. Never heard a yes from any of them.

In a monogamous household, the answer would be no because the fact that they are wives means there is a commitment to one already. As for the daughters, it's really up to the daughters, and it makes the parents uncomfortable to allow them, but then again it makes parents uncomfortable when their kids are starting to live on their own. Doesn't mean it isn't a good idea, it only means that it was not a commonly touched zone.

 

[idav]

Pornography need not be banned. If anything some people need to be banned from pornography with their objectifying and general chauvinism making the rest of us gentlemen pornograph connoisseurs look bad.

 

[SkylarHunter]

Sure, but these things you addressed about getting rid of in the previous post came from imaginative ways to use time. They touch on human intrinsic pleasures, to limit human pleasures is to limit humans. Safety vs freedom, what is more important. That's where it all comes down to, and I find freedom to be.

I can't look at this in such a simplistic way. It's not a black/white limit-human-pleasures subject.
There are many forms of human pleasures. Before thinking that all that matters is that I get my pleasure I like to think about the consequences. Some things are not worth the price someone else pays for them.
It's very easy to say you prefer freedom to safety when you're the one enjoying the freedom. What about all the people who lost their freedom so you can enjoy yours? That's what happened to a lot of people who were dragged into the porn industry.

If I found my boyfriend watching porn I would kick him out of my life immediately because for me that's cheating. He might think it's no big deal, it's all virtual, there's no physical contact and all that crap, but if he's watching movies and developing fantasies with other women he is cheating on me.
The same way, if my boyfriend found me sexting someone else, he would have all the right to be angry and hurt. It is a big deal, it is serious and things like that destroy a lot of relationships.

The real winners of the pornography industry are the ones who make money by preying on someone else's weakness. I understand that people are bombarded with sexually explicit images all the time, that men are easy targets and that it might be hard to resist some temptations but in the end it all comes down to being strong enough to make the right choice.

 

[SkylarHunter]

I would. It's not on the top ten list of careers I would want to see them try but it's not at the bottom either. For example, I'd rather them do porn than join the military to pay for college. I'd rather them do porn than work at just about any low wage job. I would support whatever they wanted to do, I'd even help them achieve those goals if they needed it, assuming it's legal of course.

Legal doesn't mean right.

My father is a very cold and selfish man and he would never win father of the year but I'm glad to know that he would rather seem me on a low paid job than selling my body. My dignity is worth more than money.

 

[Koldo]

He might think it's no big deal, it's all virtual, there's no physical contact and all that crap, but if he's watching movies and developing fantasies with other women he is cheating on me.

Tough luck.
Developing fantasies with other women happens all the time with heterosexual men to varying degrees.

 

[Koldo]

Legal doesn't mean right.

My father is a very cold and selfish man and he would never win father of the year but I'm glad to know that he would rather seem me on a low paid job than selling my body. My dignity is worth more than money.

Thats curious. If you accept a low paid job, then you are, from my point of view, selling your dignity. Also, I don't think it is possible to sell your own body, unless we are talking about selling organs, but I don't think that is the case here. It is your choice to portray participation in porn movies as selling your body.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I can't look at this in such a simplistic way. It's not a black/white limit-human-pleasures subject.
There are many forms of human pleasures. Before thinking that all that matters is that I get my pleasure I like to think about the consequences. Some things are not worth the price someone else pays for them.
It's very easy to say you prefer freedom to safety when you're the one enjoying the freedom. What about all the people who lost their freedom so you can enjoy yours? That's what happened to a lot of people who were dragged into the porn industry.

If I found my boyfriend watching porn I would kick him out of my life immediately because for me that's cheating. He might think it's no big deal, it's all virtual, there's no physical contact and all that crap, but if he's watching movies and developing fantasies with other women he is cheating on me.
The same way, if my boyfriend found me sexting someone else, he would have all the right to be angry and hurt. It is a big deal, it is serious and things like that destroy a lot of relationships.

The real winners of the pornography industry are the ones who make money by preying on someone else's weakness. I understand that people are bombarded with sexually explicit images all the time, that men are easy targets and that it might be hard to resist some temptations but in the end it all comes down to being strong enough to make the right choice.

So you are suggesting that we should limit recreations simply because you dislike the consequences?

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

If I found my boyfriend watching porn I would kick him out of my life immediately because for me that's cheating. He might think it's no big deal, it's all virtual, there's no physical contact and all that crap, but if he's watching movies and developing fantasies with other women he is cheating on me.

Then every single human being on the face of this earth is unfaithful; men and women alike.

Dr. Logan Levkoff: Sexual Fantasies: Why Women's Sex Lives Aren't Complete Without Them

To me, your outrages speaks of insecurity.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

If I found my boyfriend watching porn I would kick him out of my life immediately because for me that's cheating.

Good. Fascism in a relationship is probably unhealthy for him anyway.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then every single human being on the face of this earth is unfaithful; men and women alike.

Dr. Logan Levkoff: Sexual Fantasies: Why Women's Sex Lives Aren't Complete Without Them

To me, your outrages speaks of insecurity.

Good point. She better not read any romance novels (which is just smut for women) or have any crushes on celebrities.