Should religion be tolerated?

[Apex]

"absolutely no evidence"
And you are complaining about "broad sweeping generalizations"?

So you agree that religious people in general hate others?

 

[Storm]

Well, I don't mean every person of faith, but generally speaking, most religious people have a proclivity of hating people. Usually, it's not even justified, and they only hate because their holy books inspire them to.
I'm not trying to be hateful or anything, I'm just being real.

No, they don't.

 

[McBell]

So you agree that religious people in general hate others?

Are you honestly that.....Hell, I don't even know what word to put in there.

 

[J Bryson]

Does the name Mohandas Gandhi mean anything? Martin Luther King, Jr.? How about Jesus, if you want to go way back? To paint all religious people with the same broad brush is a scurrilous insult against some of the greatest and kindest people in all of history.

 

[DarkMaster24]

You have yet to provide even a shred of evidence to back up your extraordinary claims.

I gave you my word. What else do you want?

 

[DarkMaster24]

No, they don't.

By the way, when I say religious people I'm refering to mainstream religion (ie Christianity, Islam, Judaism, ect).
Anyhow, you have no proof that they don't.

 

[DarkMaster24]

Does the name Mohandas Gandhi mean anything? Martin Luther King, Jr.? How about Jesus, if you want to go way back? To paint all religious people with the same broad brush is a scurrilous insult against some of the greatest and kindest people in all of history.

Yes, but they are exemplary examples of their faith, not an accurate reflection of what it's fallowers actually are.

 

[McBell]

Anyhow, you have no proof that they don't.

What?
Your kidding right?

Kettle, meet pot.

 

[McBell]

Yes, but they are exemplary examples of their faith, not an accurate reflection of what it's fallowers actually are.

And how does this exact thing not hold true to YOUR examples?

 

[Storm]

By the way, when I say religious people I'm refering to mainstream religion (ie Christianity, Islam, Judaism, ect).

So?

Anyhow, you have no proof that they don't.

Shifting the burden may work on beginners, hon, but not me. You made the claim, either back it up or retract it.

Yes, but they are exemplary examples of their faith, not an accurate reflection of what it's fallowers actually are.

Prove it.

 

[DarkMaster24]

And how does this exact thing not hold true to YOUR examples?

Well, Ill concede it doesn't. But just because there are good people of faith doesn't mean that all or even the majority of them are. Like I said, I base this soley on my own personal experiences with people of faith. They were so awful that they turned me away from religion and god.

 

[DarkMaster24]

So?


Shifting the burden may work on beginners, hon, but not me. You made the claim, either back it up or retract it.


Prove it.

Well, in my experience allmost all of the religious people I've known have been mean, heartless, condescending, prejudice, morrons that never question what they believe in, which also must mean that they are stupid. Know what I mean?

I think I just proved my assertion.

 

[Storm]

Well, in my experience allmost all of the religious people I've known have been mean, heartless, condescending, prejudice, morrons that never question what they believe in, which also must mean that they are stupid. Know what I mean?

My experience has been different.

I think I just proved my assertion.

Hardly. You've just proven that you've had an extraordinarily limited interaction with religious people. Or, more likely, that you let your biases color your interactions with us so that you assume anyone who doesn't conform to your stereotype must not be religious.

 

[McBell]

Well, Ill concede it doesn't.

Fair enough

But just because there are good people of faith doesn't mean that all or even the majority of them are.

AND just because there are bad people of faith doesn't mean that all or even the majority of them are.

Like I said, I base this soley on my own personal experiences with people of faith.

I have no problem with that.
That is, until you stubbornly hold onto it even after being told/shown repeatedly that you are wrong.

They were so awful that they turned me away from religion and god.

I am not saying or even hinting/implying that you accept any religion.
However to paint every single theist the same because you had a bad experience with some theists has made you like the theists you despise.

Think about it.

 

[J Bryson]

Yes, but they are exemplary examples of their faith, not an accurate reflection of what it's fallowers actually are.

So, the hundreds of thousands of Hindus who faced the guns of the British with gentle kindness and nonviolence, the followers of King who were set upon by firehoses and attack dogs in the south, all of them doing the best in the name of their religious beliefs to bring on a brighter tomorrow for their children...they were not accurate representatives of their religions?

Look, you can look throughout history and find horrifying abuses perpetrated in the name of God. Stipulated. I can find horrifying abuses committed in the name of sciene and reason. The first abuses had no more to do with the messages of their faith than the second had to do with science. Instead, they was all about evil people doing evil on others, and twisting the meanings of their paths in order to rationalize their actions. However, Torquemada (for instance) was no more a representative of Jesus, and Osama Bin Laden is no more a representative of Islam, then Josef Mengele is a representative of the scientific community.

 

[DarkMaster24]

My experience has been different.


Hardly. You've just proven that you've had an extraordinarily limited interaction with religious people. Or, more likely, that you let your biases color your interactions with us so that you assume anyone who doesn't conform to your stereotype must not be religious.

Wait, you're religious? I never knew that.. And no, Storm, I haven't. I've been to many different churchs and my experience there has allways been an unpleasant, depressing one. Religious people never do anything accepting for anyone who's different than them.

 

[Storm]

Wait, you're religious? I never knew that..

I honestly can't tell, are you being sarcastic?

And no, Storm, I haven't.

Haven't what?

I've been to many different churchs and my experience there has allways been an unpleasant, depressing one.

Well, I'm sorry for that, but all I can say is you've been going to the wrong churches. I've had experiences like yours, yes, but I've also seen the other end of the spectrum.

Religious people never do anything accepting for anyone who's different than them.

Yes, they do. The problem here is not religion, it's you thinking in absolutes. Your experiences are not definitive.

 

[McBell]

Religious people never do anything accepting for anyone who's different than them.

really?
I have not ever once seen or heard the Catholic church here in town turn away anyone when they had the means to help.
They even help homosexuals, lesbians, drug addicts, wife beaters, alcoholics..the list goes on.
The same is true of all the churches in this area and in all the areas I have lived.

 

[J Bryson]

Wait, you're religious? I never knew that.. And no, Storm, I haven't. I've been to many different churchs and my experience there has allways been an unpleasant, depressing one. Religious people never do anything accepting for anyone who's different than them.

Storm and I belong to the same religion. Please understand that I am not attempting to proselytize or convert you (in fact, this would go against the tenets of what I believe), but check out the seven principles of our church. Also, to varying degrees, understand that there are many other religious paths out there that share these basic principles:

The Seven Principles Of Unitarian Universalism

Does that sound non-accepting of differences, or does it sound like a celebration of them?

Again, we are not the only path that has chosen to rise to the challenge of a unique and diverse membership. It's just that the other ones tend to shout a bit more loudly than we do.

 

[DarkMaster24]

Fair enough


AND just because there are bad people of faith doesn't mean that all or even the majority of them are.


I have no problem with that.
That is, until you stubbornly hold onto it even after being told/shown repeatedly that you are wrong.


I am not saying or even hinting/implying that you accept any religion.
However to paint every single theist the same because you had a bad experience with some theists has made you like the theists you despise.

Think about it.

I've tried to think that Mestimia. I truley have but it didn't work. Religious people faithfully and continually demonstrated their stupidity/hate/ignorance, by their actions. Concider this; what was the main reason slavery existed in the US? IT's because religion justified it. Now if slavery would never of been abolished, don't you think all of these Christians who say they're appalled by it, would be supportive of it? I do.

I haven't been discredited in anyway. If I were I would of acknowleged that by walking away from this thread.

I'm not painting every theist under the same catagory. Just the one's that are religious.