Should students be allowed to wear "satanic" symbols to school?

[Saint Frankenstein]

What emotional outburst?

 

[1137]

What emotional outburst?

Hahahaha.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Hahahaha.

Ohhh...you think because I said I do not give two ***** about your self-esteem and your supposed "individuality" that I was being emotional. Actually no, I am telling the truth...I don't give two ***** about your self-esteem and your feeling that somehow you are entitled to individual expression in a public school setting.
You seem to me to be another fine product of the self-esteem movement in education.

 

[1137]

Ohhh...you think because I said I do not give two ***** about your self-esteem and your supposed "individuality" that I was being emotional. Actually no, I am telling the truth...I don't give two ***** about your self-esteem and your feeling that somehow you are entitled to individual expression in a public school setting.
You seem to me to be another fine product of the self-esteem movement in education.

The self esteem movement? So let's see - you were a pretentious bully who now believes everyone should be cookie cutter kids with a heard mentality, no individuality or self-identity, and low self esteem. Yeeaaahhhh, bye bye. Maybe try Saudi Arabia?

 

[Quintessence]

Seems to me Asian countries seem to get along just fine without this American obsession regarding individuality and ego.

Both individualism and collectivism are fine modes of operation for a civilized culture. Neither is inherently superior to the other. Which one you prefer is exactly that: a preference. There's no need to go insulting people over it.

 

[1137]

Seems to me Asian countries seem to get along just fine without this American obsession regarding individuality and ego.

Both individualism and collectivism are fine modes of operation for a civilized culture. Neither is inherently superior to the other. Which one you prefer is exactly that: a preference. There's no need to go insulting people over it.

The dualism between collectivism and individualism is just a creation of people. We can be as unique as we want and still work together.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The dualism between collectivism and individualism is just a creation of people. We can be as unique as we want and still work together.

Unique? What makes you think that you are some kind of special unique pretty little snowflake? Can you prove this uniqueness of yours? Why should anyone give you any praise or attention if you have not merited it? Are people to give you attention just because you believe that you are unique?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Seems to me Asian countries seem to get along just fine without this American obsession regarding individuality and ego.

Both individualism and collectivism are fine modes of operation for a civilized culture. Neither is inherently superior to the other. Which one you prefer is exactly that: a preference. There's no need to go insulting people over it.

I think this obsession with individuality and the ego does cause some harm...it fosters narcissism, it fosters entitlement, it fosters sociopathy.

 

[SoulDaemon]

Have you ever talked face to face with asian people, japanese especially? I think they are the most apologetic people on earth, gomennasai this, sumimasen that. No offence, that's just what I've witnessed. Way too "sorry I exist" mentality. Creeps the hell outta me.

 

[Quintessence]

I think this obsession with individuality and the ego does cause some harm...it fosters narcissism, it fosters entitlement, it fosters sociopathy.

I don't disagree. I tend to find more agreement with collectivist social ideals than individualistic social ideals. However, I do not support the destruction of diversity or homogenizing cultures - that is a harmful excess of collectivist ideals. To my mind, the wisest path is a balance between the two. My country has not figured out that proper balance yet, IMHO. I do not believe that banishing displays of religion from the public sphere is an appropriate way to obtain balance. All that does is endorse the "religion" of secularism and subdue dialogue about a critical aspect of people's lives. I prefer multiculturalism and a respect for diversity, whilst respecting that certain limitations can be reasonable.

 

[1137]

Unique? What makes you think that you are some kind of special unique pretty little snowflake? Can you prove this uniqueness of yours? Why should anyone give you any praise or attention if you have not merited it? Are people to give you attention just because you believe that you are unique?

Wow. To be honest I feel like you're too emotionally invested in this to have an actual discussion. I don't know what happened to you, but no need to break the world - just see a shirnk

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Have you ever talked face to face with asian people, japanese especially? I think they are the most apologetic people on earth, gomennasai this, sumimasen that. No offence, that's just what I've witnessed. Way too "sorry I exist" mentality. Creeps the hell outta me.

Nope. I tend to deal a lot with Americans who think that somehow the world revolves around them. That's what creep me out.

 

[Quintessence]

Have you ever talked face to face with asian people, japanese especially? I think they are the most apologetic people on earth, gomennasai this, sumimasen that. No offence, that's just what I've witnessed. Way too "sorry I exist" mentality. Creeps the hell outta me.

I have to say, I find this very perplexing given your choice of avatar.

But I also find it perplexing that anybody would be creeped out by politeness, manners, and humility on the whole, so... eh?

 

[1137]

I have to say, I find this very perplexing given your choice of avatar.

But I also find it perplexing that anybody would be creeped out by politeness, manners, and humility on the whole, so... eh?

I don't think that was his (her?) point. There's a difference between politeness and a sense of self-defeat. I'm very unique, "individualistic", yet I'm more collectivist than possible any of my peers. Im proud of myself, I know I'm a strong and good guy, and I'll also drop what I'm doing in a second for someone, cover shifts, do favors, overtop, etc. Individualism and a healthy self-esteem, yet altruistic and collectivistic. No need to be all self defeating and give off this " I'm less than you" attitude.

 

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[SoulDaemon]

I have to say, I find this very perplexing given your choice of avatar.

But I also find it perplexing that anybody would be creeped out by politeness, manners, and humility on the whole, so... eh?

I like Japanese culture and customs (most of it) anyways. But too much is too much. Even to me politeness can become annoying if taken to extremes. Same with the apology thing.

 

[Assad91]

Nope. I tend to deal a lot with Americans who think that somehow the world revolves around them. That's what creep me out.

That and the many who seem to think they deserve something from you

 

[IHaveTheGift]

In a way, we all sort of think the world revolves around us, in an opposite sense that is.
Best way I can explain it is with an example:

"anyone driving faster than me is a maniac and gonna kill someone, who the hell let them get a licence anyway?"
"Anyone driving slower than me is a moron and needs to get the heck out of the way, I have places to go and things to do"
The you have those who drive like old people have sex, slow and sloppy.

We revolve around life and life revolves around us.
No two people act alike, we are individuals.

 

[Infinitum]

I think the answer depends on many factors. First of all if the school is ran by a Christian organisation I'd see wearing highly visible un-Christian symbols as provocative or at least disrespectful. The emphasis should be on the general attitude in the school towards religious matters. Teachers are the best example for the students, since depending on the school policy they will either keep their religious thought for themselves or be more open about it. If you ask me, teachers should not profess their personal beliefs with students due to the role they have in kids' lives. However if they do, then students should be allowed to be open about their beliefs as well - as long as it does not draw too much attention to it. This has nothing to do with religion as such, but about the dress code in general. And I don't mean uniforms but the very basic social expectations for clothing in various environments. There are situations where neither wearing flip flops or a dress suit would not be appropriate.

As the rule of thumb I would refrain from wearing any large religious symbols to a school. The older the students, the more acceptable I think it is, though. Young adults are mature enough to not make a big number of their ideologies as well as discuss them with others in a respectful manner. The symbol doesn't in my opinion matter nearly as much as the attitude behind it. Which is why it's so important to ask why someone would feel the need to wear religious symbols to school in the first place.

 

[1137]

What does "need" have to do with it? What if someone simply wants to wear a religious symbol?