Should the Bible be outlawed

[Humanistheart]

That all depends on how you define abuse. About 15 years ago there was a case in Sacramento, CA of a father being brought before the court for abusing his son in public. The son had intentionally slammed his sister's hand in the door and the father immediately beat the boy's behind. The court threw out the case and the judge basically lambasted the people who pressed charges saying that the reason for the justice system is to prevent crimes and to punish those who commit them and that what the father had done was entirely appropriate as he was teaching his son the proper ways to behave.

So, yeah, there are people who think that a spanking is abusive but I think those people are nuts.

I would have agreed with you on that 4 years ago, then I got an education on the subject. If you knew all the facts behind spanking, the affects it has on children, I daubt you'd say that. Courts also used to uphold people's right to own slaves. It was only fairly recently in our history that spanking your wife became illegal (well, without her consent ). Your argument has no validity. I'd suggest taking some Child Development class' before you venture such ignorant opinions. Teaching the son proper ways to behave? Spanking teaches that physical violence is the proper way to settle a problem and that's what you think is a good life lesson? Wow. Also, spanking wasn't particularly relevant to my post or the one it had been responding to. You simply missed the point.

 

[ayani]

Dear FM ~

my own belief in the inspiration of the Bible didn't come from the Bible at first.

like you, for a long time i was annoyed, confused, offended, and put off my much of what i read in the Bible, and wondered how anyone could believe this Book contained God's Word.

the turning point wasn't the Bible, but what i came to believe about God's Son. from there, reading the Gospels, noticing how Jesus quotes from much of the OT, and then reading the rest of the NT, and making sure it didn't contradict the Gospels.

the Bible made zero sense without that perspective. so i can relate to what you're saying. but i don't promote the banning or burning of any text on a mass scale. if a person doesn't want to read a book, or if a community has agreed not to read it, that is their choice.

 

[Riverwolf]

Just in religious matter or in general? If just in general than your saying you don't support children being tacken from abusive parents? And if religious, what about people like the poor boy who's mother ran with him because chemo was against their religion? She was basically sacrificing him to her god for crying out loud.

Depends on what the child thought and how able to think he was. (Not necessarily how old he was.)

There ARE exceptions; there are ALWAYS exceptions.

 

[Riverwolf]

So, yeah, there are people who think that a spanking is abusive but I think those people are nuts.

It depends on the child and how and why the parent is doing it.

I, for one, would NEVER spank my children, and I remember that for me, a spanking was VERY traumatizing and painful. (I'm sensitive.)

 

[slave2six]

It depends on the child and how and why the parent is doing it.

True. I always first explained why my child was being given a spanking, spanked them, then held them and cried with them and told them how much I hated it. It was quite effective and I have five excellent daughters that need nothing more than a word of warning from time to time. I never had to spank them past the age of 5.

My wife was beaten with a switch. I was beaten pretty regularly too and usually when my dad was especially mad. I have never disciplined my children when I was angry. I don't even argue with my wife or anyone else when I am angry because that leaves an irrational and wrong lesson and always comes back to haunt you. Reason is the only true means of educating.

That being said, a child needs to know who is in charge. I think it is far more damaging to allow a child to be a brat or to get away with something serious (e.g. biting people) with nothing more than standing in the corner or being told what a naughty person they are. And here is where reason comes in handy... if they know they will get a spanking then they have excellent reason not to do <whatever> again.

That being said, a lot depends on one's theology as well. Children whose parents believe in an exacting, angry and terrifying god are more likely to be exacting, angry and terrifying to their children.

I have proven that my method is effective and I am glad. My kids are truly amazing.

 

[Riverwolf]

True. I always first explained why my child was being given a spanking, spanked them, then held them and cried with them and told them how much I hated it. It was quite effective and I have five excellent daughters that need nothing more than a word of warning from time to time. I never had to spank them past the age of 5.

My wife was beaten with a switch. I was beaten pretty regularly too and usually when my dad was especially mad. I have never disciplined my children when I was angry. I don't even argue with my wife or anyone else when I am angry because that leaves an irrational and wrong lesson and always comes back to haunt you. Reason is the only true means of educating.

That being said, a child needs to know who is in charge. I think it is far more damaging to allow a child to be a brat or to get away with something serious (e.g. biting people) with nothing more than standing in the corner or being told what a naughty person they are. And here is where reason comes in handy... if they know they will get a spanking then they have excellent reason not to do <whatever> again.

That being said, a lot depends on one's theology as well. Children whose parents believe in an exacting, angry and terrifying god are more likely to be exacting, angry and terrifying to their children.

I have proven that my method is effective and I am glad. My kids are truly amazing.

And I'm sure they are. ^_^ May they become strong and independent.

I do not consider spanking "abuse" in the usual meaning of the word, UNLESS it is abused itself, such as using it over and over again in anger. It sounds like you have a method yourself that is very effective for your children. (Side note: Humanistheart will probably get angry at both of us for this bit. lol)

I do think it is important that we teach our children to become strong and disciplined, as strength and discipline have seemed to disappear from much of the current generation of children. (I work with them; trust me.) I do not intend to do this with spanking, of course, and I do intend to take ECE and ECD classes before having kids of my own, because I do think those guys have valid things to say, despite being somewhat idealistic.

 

[blackout]

There must be a section SOMEWHERE in the patriot 'Act'
regarding 'questionables' who own and read and actively "share" the bible with others...

mmmm....
or was that the Constitution......

Just make EVERYTHING ILLEGAL.
And throw everyone in jail who refuses to be content with nothing.
That will stop people whining "unfair discrimination".

 

[sojourner]

A politically correct bible, that would be great! Well, we are on the way to one. I don't know if you have read the pretentiously titled "scholar's version" but it contains things like "congratulations to the poor" and "ok, you're cured!" I wouldn't be suprised if the Jesus seminar or a like-minded organization put out a politically correct bible.

My NT prof (who reads from the Greek NT as a matter of course) was on the translation panel. As you're aware, when translating, not only is it important to consider words, themselves, but just as important is context. "Congratulations" is closer to the meaning. "Ok, you're cured!" carries contextual meaning. Since Jesus spoke common language, and not King James English, the translation attempted to put the language in a vernacular context, not a "churchy" context.

Since "exact" (to the gospel writers) was not as important as "jist," anyway, I don't see where the translation is anything other than a valid exercise in accomplishing their purpose, which was to put out there a translation that remained true to the text, but placed in a vernacular turn of phrase.

 

[Oberon]

My NT prof (who reads from the Greek NT as a matter of course) was on the translation panel.

I officially hate your NT prof.

 

[sojourner]

I officially hate your NT prof.

How do you "unofficially" feel?

 

[Oberon]

How do you "unofficially" feel?

[searches for pen to write angry letter to NT professor]

 

[sojourner]

[searches for pen to write angry letter to NT professor]

Use the one with the poison ink.