Should Trump Accept Defeat on The Wall Idea?

[leibowde84]

It seems pretty clear that Trump is never going to get funding from congress for his promised wall (and, no, Mexico is not paying for it). So, should he just accept defeat and apologize, or should he keep on keeping on?

 

[David1967]

Practically ,yes as illegal crossings seem to be down. Giving border patrol more agents to cover the territory better would be more practical IMO. Politically, no. He ran his campaign on the idea of the wall. If he doesn't go through with it, it will be like George HW Bush saying "read my lips. No new taxes."

 

[leibowde84]

Practically ,yes as illegal crossings seem to be down. Giving border patrol more agents to cover the territory better would be more practical IMO. Politically, no. He ran his campaign on the idea of the wall. If he doesn't go through with it, it will be like George HW Bush saying "read my lips. No new taxes."

So, the only reason to go through with it is for Trump to put his own political popularity ahead of common sense and what is good for Americans?

 

[David1967]

So, the only reason to go through with it is for Trump to put his own political popularity ahead of common sense and what is good for Americans?

Not necessarily. I think he believes that the wall is a good idea. My statement was not an endorsement of the wall, just an observation that , politically it would benefit him since he promised it in his campaign. Practically, not so sure.

 

[leibowde84]

Not necessarily. I think he believes that the wall is a good idea. My statement was not an endorsement of the wall, just an observation that , politically it would benefit him since he promised it in his campaign. Practically, not so sure.

I disagree. I don't think Trump thinks the wall is a good idea. I think he knew there were enough bumpkins out there that thought a wall would help in some mythical way. He knew it would be a useful tool.

 

[David1967]

I disagree. I don't think Trump thinks the wall is a good idea. I think he knew there were enough bumpkins out there that thought a wall would help in some mythical way. He knew it would be a useful tool.

IDK. I think there are more cost effective ways to combat the problem that's all . I'll be the first to admit that I'm far from an expert on it. I would rather see the feds employ more border agents personally.

 

[leibowde84]

IDK. I think there are more cost effective ways to combat the problem that's all . I'll be the first to admit that I'm far from an expert on it. I would rather see the feds employ more border agents personally.

I certainly agree that more border guards are a much better idea than a wall.

 

[David1967]

I certainly agree that more border guards are a much better idea than a wall.

Walls are very expensive and must be maintained and guarded constantly. So yeah. More Border Agents.

 

[David1967]

I certainly agree that more border guards are a much better idea than a wall.

Or they could turn loose some Israeli, CIA brain implanted pigs to guard it....sorry ,wrong thread.

 

[bobhikes]

The only thing the wall will do is cost us money while creating some construction and maintenance jobs. Its a hard sell to both the republicans and democrats so I voted no. If trying to get the wall done keeps Trump busy for 4 years I will be extremely happy. I hope he makes it his priority and accomplishes nothing else until it is done.

 

[columbus]

Walls are very expensive and must be maintained and guarded constantly. So yeah. More Border Agents.

Why not invest that money in a campaign to find and prosecute the biggest employers of illegal workers? Then the fines that they pay to stay out of jail will more than pay the investment back.
Tom

 

[David1967]

Why not invest that money in a campaign to find and prosecute the biggest employers of illegal workers? Then the fines that they pay to stay out of jail will more than pay the investment back.
Tom

That is a problem isn't it. That definitely needs to be addressed if it hasn't.

 

[columbus]

That is a problem isn't it. That definitely needs to be addressed if it hasn't.

Nobody seems willing to even talk about it. Trump never has that I have heard about.
This is not too surprising to me since construction and hospitality industries are two of the biggest offenders.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

Why not invest that money in a campaign to find and prosecute the biggest employers of illegal workers? Then the fines that they pay to stay out of jail will more than pay the investment back.
Tom

I agree. A wall won't do any good, but going after businesses that take advantage of illegal immigrants will actually help. It is pretty obvious why Trump would never bring that idea up though. He, his family, and all his "friends" profit off illegal immigration far too much to actually do anything to prevent it.

 

[Kemosloby]

It's a monumental task that shouldn't be rushed. Have they even considered a ditch and a wall? You get the materials from the ditch to build the wall. Cost cutting and doubly effective.

 

[columbus]

I agree. A wall won't do any good, but going after businesses that take advantage of illegal immigrants will actually help. It is pretty obvious why Trump would never bring that idea up though. He, his family, and all his "friends" profit off illegal immigration far too much to actually do anything to prevent it.

So do the people who really run this country.
That's why there hasn't been any real effort to stop the problem at the root cause, illegal employers.
Tom

 

[Kemosloby]

Why not invest that money in a campaign to find and prosecute the biggest employers of illegal workers? Then the fines that they pay to stay out of jail will more than pay the investment back.
Tom

You're thinking like a Republican.

 

[columbus]

You're thinking like a Republican.

I have not noticed anybody taking this concept seriously.
It's like the power elite would rather pretend they can't hear it.
Tom

 

[Lyndon]

Right now we have more illegals going back to Mexico than coming from Mexico, how is a wall going to make that any better, it might actually stop people that are trying to leave the country.

 

[Stevicus]

It seems pretty clear that Trump is never going to get funding from congress for his promised wall (and, no, Mexico is not paying for it). So, should he just accept defeat and apologize, or should he keep on keeping on?

Well, the whole idea of the "the wall" was mostly symbolic during the campaign, but the fact is, there already are barriers and walls along the border anyway. There have already been numerous measures to build better fences and barriers, as well as electronic surveillance and more Border Patrol agents out there.

I think Trump said he'll revisit the issue in September, so he may just put it on the back burner and bring it up later.

I came across a related article which talked about how more crackdowns on undocumented workers could affect the agricultural industry: Hotly-debated Trump move could hit your pocketbook, farmers say

The head of Bethel Heights Vineyard looked out over the 100 acres of vines her crew of 20 Mexicans had just finished pruning, worried about what will happen if the Trump administration presses ahead with its crackdown on immigrants.

From tending the plants to harvesting the grapes, it takes skill and a strong work ethic to produce the winery’s pinot noir and chardonnay, and native-born Americans just aren’t willing to work that hard, Patricia Dudley said as a cold rain drenched the vineyard in the hills of Oregon.

I will admit that it does kind of bother me to hear this kind of rhetoric which fosters the stereotype that American workers are "lazy" and don't want to do any hard work. Maybe the owner of this vineyard is the one who is truly lazy and wanting to get by on cheap, easily exploitable labor.

“Who’s going to come out here and do this work when they deport them all?” she asked.

Maybe she can do it herself. She's an exploiter and a profiteer from illegal labor. She should be arrested for hiring undocumented workers. They published her name and the name of her business, so she should be easy enough to find.