Should we be disrespectful towards the Bible?

[jimb]

Nah, the ancients knew that you can't have faith and reason. Their solution was to disregard reason.

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”
― Martin Luther

Today's Christians try to bend logic in a way that their belief seems rational, i.e. they want the impossible, faith and reason. I call that greedy.

Absurd!

The "ancients" knew that you can have faith and reason. Your statement is totally wrong!

Martin Luther is not an "ancient". He lived in the 15th and 16th centuries. And simply because he supposedly said that quote means nothing. He was not infallible. However, his quote applies to many people then and now.

Your statement that "Christians try to bend logic in a way that their belief seems rational, i.e. they want the impossible, faith and reason" proves his point!

 

[jimb]

Considering the subject ot the thread as far as "respect" for the Bible as well as all ancient and today's religious scriptures. First I do not equate belief or acceptance of an interpretation respect

I respect the Bible and all ancient and today's scriptures, but I put them in the context of the culture and times they were written, and the universal perspecspective of the history of humanity.

So you clearly misunderstand the Bible.

 

[shunyadragon]

Spoken like a true cynical unbeliever.

I consider this view of the universal moral and ethical nature of humans in history, and the reality of the different religions and cultures, The reverse is more likely true the different religions and divisions have a cynical negative view toward those who believe differently such as the Amish that consider the standards of other cultures, religions, churches as immoral and greedy.

 

[shunyadragon]

So you clearly misunderstand the Bible.

You continually egocentrically believe that people must believe as you do to understand scriptures.

 

[shunyadragon]

Absurd!

The "ancients" knew that you can have faith and reason. Your statement is totally wrong!

All humans throughout the history of humanity have faith and reason.

Your statement that "Christians try to bend logic in a way that their belief seems rational, i.e. they want the impossible, faith and reason" proves his point!

Actually the believers of all the different and conflicting religions and beliefs justify their belief with "reason."

 

[jimb]

You continually egocentrically believe that people must believe as you do to understand scriptures.

No, there are many people that understand the Bible's message. But you don't. Why is that?

 

[jimb]

All humans throughout the history of humanity have faith and reason.


Actually the believers of all the different and conflicting religions and beliefs justify their belief with "reason."

Of course, you neglect to mention justification by faith, which clearly demonstrates your lack of understanding.

 

[shunyadragon]

Of course, you neglect to mention justification by faith, which clearly demonstrates your lack of understanding.

Everyone justifies their own faith in many diverse conflicting personal subjective perspectives based on what they believe.

So circular it bites you in the butt.

Again . . .
All humans throughout the history of humanity have faith and reason.

Actually the believers of all the different and conflicting religions and beliefs justify their belief with "reason," and believe you do not understand as they do.

 

[shunyadragon]

Everyone justifies their own faith in many diverse conflicting personal subjective perspectives basec on what they believe.

So circular it bites you in the butt..

 

[shunyadragon]

No, there are many people that understand the Bible's message. But you don't. Why is that?

The many people your refer to here are those that believe as you do.

Those that do not believe as you do, of course, fail to understand the Bible as you do, and claim you do not understand as they do.

Obvious and egocentric as the sky is Carolina Blue at noon on a clear 4th of July.

 

[Ignatius A]

At work this week, I was telling a fellow dishwasher I'm not a Christian because the God of the Bible is "crazy psycho" in my opinion. This guy caught me off guard by getting a bit offended and defensive. This chap is the most disrespectful *Staff Edit* I have ever met, a real sore to work with because he is so negative. But he came to the Bible's defense, saying he "would never disrespect the Bible". Said his family was Christian/Catholic. I said "that's cool" and apologized if I offended him and we went on with our work.

That was just a habitual, taught, reaction. You are taught to "respect" someone's religion. And I was a Christian for the longest time, I expected that people don't clown on me for my Christianity.

But I thought about it later that day, how I apologized and stuff. *Staff Edit* And people believe it literally came from God Himself.

I am a gay man with a boyfriend. I have to keep the most important part of my life a secret from my family and the public in general because of the BIBLE. *Staff Edit* Leviticus 20:13 literally says I should be STONED to DEATH!

That's just one teensy eensy aspect of the Bible that is messed up. And people think we should "respect" it?

I have become determined to be unabashed in my distaste for Christianity and the Bible in my conversations. Screw that respect crap. Your book says I should be killed. At the very least, you think I'm wrong for being gay because of your holy book. *Staff Edit*

Next time Mr. *Staff Edit* is annoying me with his negativity I am going to bring him to town and disrespect the Bible hella. He hasn't read it. He respects it because his mama and pastor told him to? What a baby. Give me a break... I'm gonna clown on him so hard for being a Bible believer. Trust me, this chap has it coming, I hate working with him. Now I know how I can get to him hee hee.

What do you guys think about "respecting" other people's beliefs when their beliefs say you should be stoned to death? Isn't that asking a lot of me?

You don't have to keep it from your family you choose to. You don't want to deal with the consequences. There are exchanges made when we make choices. You exchanged being free and open about your gayness for the "peace" of not being hassled about it.

I also find it hilarious that you were "caught off guard" that someone might be offended by your comments about their faith. I'm not saying you should care about whether they were offended or not but you should t be surprised by it. Trannys get very offended when you "misgender" them we shouldnt have to go worry about apologizing right?

 

[jimb]

Everyone justifies their own faith in many diverse conflicting personal subjective perspectives based on what they believe.

So circular it bites you in the butt.

Again . . .
All humans throughout the history of humanity have faith and reason.

Actually the believers of all the different and conflicting religions and beliefs justify their belief with "reason," and believe you do not understand as they do.

"So circular it bites you in the butt"? Is that from Plato?

FAITH IS NOT BELIEF, IT IS CERTAINTY.

 

[jimb]

The many people your refer to here are those that believe as you do.

Those that do not believe as you do, of course, fail to understand the Bible as you do, and claim you do not understand as they do.

Obvious and egocentric as the sky is Carolina Blue at noon on a clear 4th of July.

That's what you believe, but you're wrong!

Do you believe that an eclipse occurred today? Everyone else knows it occurred today. Capiche???

 

[shunyadragon]

That's what you believe, but you're wrong!

Do you believe that an eclipse occurred today? Everyone else knows it occurred today. Capiche???

You are comparing the objective observance of a physical event with the subjective justification of belief.

Are you aware that the conflicting beliefs of Jews, Muslims, and various conflicting other beliefs consider their belief is rationally justified

 

[shunyadragon]

You are comparing the objective observance of a physical event with the subjective justification of belief.

Are you aware that the conflicting beliefs of Jews, Muslims, and various conflicting other beliefs consider their belief is rationally justified

The Jews, Muslims and other religious beliefs see the eclipse, and consider your beliefs wrong.

 

[jimb]

You are comparing the objective observance of a physical event with the subjective justification of belief.

Are you aware that the conflicting beliefs of Jews, Muslims, and various conflicting other beliefs consider their belief is rationally justified

So what? It is irrelevant what some people believe (including yourself). Knowing is knowing!

 

[jimb]

The Jews, Muslims and other religious beliefs see the eclipse, and consider your beliefs wrong.

Are you now responding to yourself???

 

[shunyadragon]

Are you now responding to yourself???

No but you are talking to yourself repeating continuously subjective egocentric claims of belief only based on what you believe.

 

[jimb]

No but you are talking to yourself repeating continuously subjective egocentric claims of belief only based on what you believe.

LOL!!! YOU are talking to yourself repeating continuously subjective egocentric claims of belief only based on what you believe.

I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! Clearly you don't!

I am getting tired of your mindless, error-filled posts. You are close to be on "ignore". Either post something worthwhile or drop your false reasoning.

You have no faith; I have faith. I know what I'm writing about; you are only theorizing.

 

[Trailblazer]

The OT God killed 70,000 people because David conducted a census (2 Samuel 24:15)
In which verse does he say that he 'won't do it again'?

Who is to say God ever did it?
Men speaking for God is not a reliable way to know what God did.