Sight

[Buttons*]

You can take this next statement physically or any interpretation you like. I just like to see how people's minds work. Going real broad here: Do you think that if people were blind, we could truly see?

I'm going to just start out and see if i can get any ideas, then i'll focus on each at a time...(so much for organization!)

 

[evearael]

Maybe we are blind to one sense or another... we'd never realize it without an external force pointing it out, though I'm sure the remaining senses are sharper because of the finite resources of the brain.

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

In a physical sense, ofcourse not, But boy can this go in all sorts of different directions which I just don't have the time for right now, sorry.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[Nehustan]

Quite often as I travel London I get to a station where an announcement says 'Alight here for the Royal National Institute of the Blind' at which point I often pipe up 'This is where you should all get off....blind leading the blind'


It always amuses me.

 

[FFH]

John 9: 39

"And Jesus said, for judgement I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

 

[Buttons*]

John 9: 39

"And Jesus said, for judgement I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

and what does that mean to you?

 

[FFH]

and what does that mean to you?

Those that experience adversity, tend to see the truth, and those that experience no adversity, tend not to see the truth.

 

[Daniel Burbank]

According to the bible, Paul did not really "see" until he was blinded by the lord. (I realize that this interpretation of the word "see" is referring to and biblical truth and that not everyone on this forum is a christian, and that the word "see" doesn't mean the same thing for everyone)

 

[Buttons*]

According to the bible, Paul did not really "see" until he was blinded by the lord. (I realize that this interpretation of the word "see" is referring to and biblical truth and that not everyone on this forum is a christian, and that the word "see" doesn't mean the same thing for everyone)

yes, and its quite alright, i just want opinions, no matter the religious or non-religious point of view! I just live for ideas, please, keep them coming!

 

[FFH]

This scripture is talking of the Pharisees, who were full of pride, and had criticized Jesus Christ for healing, a man born blind, on the sabbath.

John 9: 39

"And Jesus said, For judgement I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind."

Jesus Christ came into the world to judge it. Those that had humbled themselves, which is represented by the blind man, will see, or be lifted up, and those that are proud, which is represented by those that see, will be blinded, or humbled.

We must humble ourselves, so that we might see spiritually.

If you we do not humble ourselves, then we will be blinded spiritually.

 

[judijo]

"O SON OF DUST!
Blind thine eyes, that thou mayest behold My beauty; stop thine ears, that thou mayest hearken unto the sweet melody of My voice; empty thyself of all learning, that thou mayest partake of My knowledge; and sanctify thyself from riches, that thou mayest obtain a lasting share from the ocean of My eternal wealth. Blind thine eyes, that is, to all save My beauty; stop thine ears to all save My word; empty thyself of all learning save the knowledge of Me; that with a clear vision, a pure heart and an attentive ear thou mayest enter the court of My holiness." (Baha'u'llah, The Persian Hidden Words)


There is also reference within the writings of the Baha'i Faith that God only allows us to see what our measure of His bounty allows, and only through certitude and good deeds is more revealed unto us. Kind of explains "bad Karma" to the run-of-the-mill non-believers, in that only in recognition of God and His message can we begin to see His beauty.

My two cents; Your mileage may vary.

Judijo.

 

[Quiddity]

I don't get it.

 

[Darkdale]

Do you think that if people were blind, we could truly see?

Nope, if all people were blind, they'd all be very incapable and ignorant.

 

[ChrisP]

Are you asking: If people were without their visual sight, would our inner sight become stronger? People would probably just find other sensory ways to distract themselves. Humans love to be distracted from the situation.

 

[Darkdale]

Are you asking: If people were without their visual sight, would our inner sight become stronger? People would probably just find other sensory ways to distract themselves. Humans love to be distracted from the situation.

I agree. I think it is a problem that is caused by... you know, the way that those liberals went after our poor Vice-President when --- Oh! My cat caught a grasshopper!

 

[No*s]

You can take this next statement physically or any interpretation you like. I just like to see how people's minds work. Going real broad here: Do you think that if people were blind, we could truly see?

I'm going to just start out and see if i can get any ideas, then i'll focus on each at a time...(so much for organization!)

No. Spiritual sight is a product of the heart. It is entirely possible that physical blindness could further harden the heart and result in an even dimmer inner vision (conversely, it is possible for someone to be healed, and that to harden their heart as well).

Christ healed ten lepers, and one returned. Conversely, a very healthy (and likely welthy" Nicodemus went to hear Him. More often adversity will humble us, but it can anger us as well. Likewise, prosperity usually exalts our pride, but some people when receiving it may become more pious. All these things proceed from within, not from without.

 

[Daniel Burbank]

(In a non-spiritual sense) I'm sure that people who are blind experience the world in ways which people who can see do not (that is quite obvious, but you could interpret that as "seeing" the world differently). Also, if you were able to see and you were made blind, you would probably not take things for granted like people who can see take things for granted. (Again, not sure how that you could interpret that as "seeing", but just a thought.)

 

[Buttons*]

Are you asking: If people were without their visual sight, would our inner sight become stronger? People would probably just find other sensory ways to distract themselves. Humans love to be distracted from the situation.

that's true...wow, you must have come up with that from talking to someone VERY bright...

 

[Buttons*]

No. Spiritual sight is a product of the heart. It is entirely possible that physical blindness could further harden the heart and result in an even dimmer inner vision (conversely, it is possible for someone to be healed, and that to harden their heart as well).

I agree that it is a change of heart that brings one to the light.
If no one could see, what would they have to be bitter about? No one would be above anyone else.
Not to say that blinding everyone would change their hearts, but maybe it would help alter their focus a bit....maybe?

Likewise, prosperity usually exalts our pride, but some people when receiving it may become more pious. All these things proceed from within, not from without.

This is very true. Of course not everyone would change thier hearts as a result of being blind... but, as i've said, it COULD change perspective.
What most people have said is true as well, we dont have to be physically blind to see truth, light, the inner...

I think of Oedipus Rex when I think of this subject... Sophocles wrote a story about fate, and how, by running from fate, we usually find ourselves in it! Ironic! (irony excites me...) In the end Oedipus realized that he had done everything JUST as the prophecy said he would, while he was trying to avoid it. He then gouged his eyes out. When he could see, he was blind, but when he was blind, he saw.

 

[Buttons*]

This scripture is talking of the Pharisees, who were full of pride, and had criticized Jesus Christ for healing, a man born blind, on the sabbath.

John 9: 39

"And Jesus said, For judgement I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind."

Jesus Christ came into the world to judge it. Those that had humbled themselves, which is represented by the blind man, will see, or be lifted up, and those that are proud, which is represented by those that see, will be blinded, or humbled.

We must humble ourselves, so that we might see spiritually.

If you we do not humble ourselves, then we will be blinded spiritually.

This being said, what do you think about spiritual "dying on the cross with Christ"? You have to die before you can be reborn, right? (i'm opening another can of worms arent i? *sigh*) If you want, we can discuss this topic through PMs or I'll open another thread later...PLEASE dont answer it on this thread though... i just had to write it down....(me being scatterbrained)

So, being blind to the world would ultimatley bring you to seeing the light?
What do you think Yeshua is trying to say?
What does going blind imply?