Trailblazer
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How do you know? I for one know that taught things I did not know before I read it.There's nothing the Messengers are going to teach you about God that you cannot figure out on your own.’
What do they have two kidneys instead of one? What makes them extraordinary?
They have a divine nature as well as a human nature.
“And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, and no resemblance whatever can exist between the transient and the Eternal, the contingent and the Absolute, He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven. Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself.....The second station is the human station, exemplified by the following verses: “I am but a man like you.”” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 66-67
Yes, there is no reason God would send Messengers. God is perfect, whole, and complete without any needs or desires. For God to choose to send someone would imply God has a purpose. Having purpose means God has some kind of need or desire driving the purpose.
If God sent Messengers all it would mean is that God has a purpose for humans. That does not mean that God has any needs or desires of His own. God has no needs but since humans have needs God sends Messengers to meet their needs.
Why would you think our omnipotent God has any limitations at all? What reason would God send Messengers to humanity? Humanity is perfect just the way it is. We have everything we need to solve all our own problems if we choose to do so.
Then why haven’t we solved our problems? I propose it is because most of humanity rejected the latest Messenger, His teachings, His laws, and His program to fix things. Humanity has te potential to be perfect but not without Guidance from God.
I do not want to argue that point anymore except to say the Will of God is not the same as the Mind of God. Is my volition the same as my mind?You are splitting hairs now. Nobody knows the will of God. This is pure fantasy. God is beyond our comprehension. Our brains would explode.
You are right, God needs nothing from us, but we need something from God.Does God want loyalty or not? Why would you ever use the word "profit" and "God" in the same sentence. God needs absolutely nothing from us.
As I said your idea of Messengers is weak. If they truly were Messengers they would teach you how to communicate to God directly. Oh wait, if they did that there would be no bibles to sell in the bookshop on the way out of the church.
You can communicate to God directly but God is not going to communicate back. No, they would not teach that because there is no reason why humans would ever need to communicate to God directly, since God sends Messengers who act as intermediates.
It would be the height of hubris if they were pretending. Do you believe that Jesus was pretending to speak for God?If the Messengers say they are speaking for God by what was revealed to them then they are delusional at best. I've said all along it is the height of human hubris and possible man's greatest possible sin to pretend to speak for God or reveal words that came from God.
If the message for truly for the benefit of humans it would teach humans how to think for themselves as opposed to regurgitate bird food.
That is exactly what Baha’u’llah taught us, independent investigation of truth.
I get it now. This passage is very illuminating. Your religion is not about spirituality. Your religion is a religion of adulation. You worship dead priests called Messengers in order to elevate their status as being divine, sacred, and essentially God figures. Your religion is a religion of fandom!
No, you did not get it. You, like many believers and nonbelievers, cannot stand the idea that someone God appointed knows more than you do. That is the height of hubris.
Baha’is do not worship the Messengers of God, we worship only God. The Messengers simply act as a Vehicle for the transmission of the grace of God.
Where in that passage does it say that God has a need to be worshipped? Nowhere. The throne is symbolic for a high place where God rules.The thing is I don't accept the throne metaphor when it comes to the Almighty. God has no need to be worship.
Again, you believe in a fantasy God who never punishes anyone even when they deserve it. What kind of a parent would never punish a child? A bad parent. That is not love when you allow people to hurt other people with no consequences.Again, my faith is stronger than yours because my faith does not require me to be taught by your Messengers. My faith is in an omnipotent God of unconditional love who lets everyone through the gates of Heaven to experience eternal Heavenly bliss regardless of our Earthly sins or how we practiced or not practiced our religion. This is because unconditional love means no conditions. Unconditional love means no judgment. As I've stated the multitude of evidence from near death experiences supports my faith. My omnipotent God of unconditional love will not let me down. Just like a parent who would give their life to save their child. The God I have faith in would never forsake me.
Letting everyone through the gates of Heaven to experience eternal Heavenly bliss regardless of our Earthly sins or how we practiced or not practiced our religion is complete injustice.
Where did you get that information? Oh I forgot, you made it up.God is perfect, whole, and complete without any needs or desires. God has no need to carry out the justice on behave of men who think someone else deserves it.
Your God does not exist. However, a loving God does exist.My God is way more loving than your God. My God would not be limited to just loving who you deem "people who lived a selfless noble life." My God's love has no boundaries. My God loves the least deserving among us as much as the greatest living saint among us. This is what makes my God the greatest possible of gods!
"How ignorant therefore the thought that God who created man, educated and nurtured him, surrounded him with all blessings, made the sun and all phenomenal existence for his benefit, bestowed upon him tenderness and kindness, and then did not love him. This is palpable ignorance, for no matter to what religion a man belongs even though he be an atheist or materialist nevertheless God nurtures him, bestows His kindness and sheds upon him His light." ('Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. 8, issue 7, p. 78)
God’s love knows no bounds but God’s justice also knows no bounds. Treating everyone the same way no matter how good or evil they are in not justice.
Again, I did not say that God was going to carry out a judgment, like the judgment day Christians believe in. I said we reap what we sow. That is the law of karma. God is not going to reward people for evil deeds with a welcome mat in heaven. If we earned heaven by our faith and deeds we will get there.Again, there is no doubt life is unjust. There is no doubt life is full of suffering. Everyone suffers regardless of what happens or who did it. Who do you blame if you get cancer or you have to live with my type of craptastic body! People with hate in their hearts love the idea we have a God of judgment because they are weak and unable to forgive. But the idea God is going to carry out justice on the behave of the living, or for someone who has died, is pure delusion. Hate of any kind is really man judging God. Deep down people want others to suffer for all eternity because they hate God.
That is true as noted in my quote above.Every living and non-living thing is precious and sacred to God. Man's love is limited and conditional. Only God's love is unconditional.
Or wait till you die and then you will reap what you sowed. That is justice.Again, if you want justice you have to find it for yourself in our courts of secular law.