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Singapore: no mask = prison sentence
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Jeremiah Ames
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Oh, someone claimed to be a liberal AND cheered when someone was locked up?
I missed that. My apologies.
Suave
Simulated character
I'm against putting vaccinated persons in jail for not masking up. An mRNA person has less than a one out of a hundred thousand chance of dying by C.O.V.I.D,-19. The unnecessary wearing of disposal masks, the ones that'd be most effective at preventing infections by C.O.V.I.D.-19 between non-mRNA vaccinated persons are bad on the environment. They waste our earth's precious resources and take up limited waste disposal space.
And those who believe they stand for liberty by going against science and common sense ignore personal responsibility.
They believe in the liberty of a safe society. There's no liberty in a society of irrational who choose to defy expert public health advice. As soon as a person assumes they can ignore expert advice they forfeit their liberties due to the threat they pose to society.
Martin
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Some people don't even respect the laws and customs of their own country.
Baby/bathwater
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No the belief of the left is strong arming and guilt shaming anybody that dosent view their visions of utopia of the collective as they do.
It's flat out totalitarian and creepy as hell. Like some mindless infatuated cult of drones.
Recent events have caused me to reexamine my position on liberty versus authoritarianism. "Freedom" has an intoxicating ring, and in the past, before the rise of this class of people that can only clamor about their rights without any concern for responsibilities or community, freedom is killing people. There are times when it is appropriate to simply take somebody's choice from them, like your buddy who is too drunk to drive home, so you take his keys, or a person who chooses to rape, or your infant daughter who throws a tantrum when you take her to get her childhood vaccines. You don't give her freedom if you don't want her catching polio. You hold her down and vaccinate them.
Freedom, I've decided, is for the responsible, who will use it to harmlessly and often constructively explore options in their lives and make the world a better place. But in this pandemic, we're dealing with hundreds of millions of people given freedoms that they weren't qualified to exercise, and the price is already too high. The day of the possibility of herd immunity are gone unless a vaccine is found that prevents transmission of the virus to the vaccinated, and the majority of people have had it.
I don't value that kind of "freedom." It resulted in a net loss of freedom. We know (or should) that life will never be what it used to be, that this virus will be a continual existential threat to our lives as it was before vaccines (briefly, we had hope that this could be a thing of the past, that we'd survived). Responsible people will be avoiding many of the activities they previously enjoyed indefinitely. My wife nd I, whose birthdays both fall in August, previously had thrown a large party at our home for about thirty friends. That tradition had to end last summer, and it doesn't look we'll have that "freedom" ever again.
I do not mind one bit if the kind of freedom seen below is made impossible:
The mother of an American teenage girl hospitalized for COVID was at her bedside. The newsman asked the mother if she had been vaccinated, and she said yes. She was asked if her daughter had been vaccinated, and the answer was no. When asked, the woman said that she wanted to give her daughter the freedom to decide for herself. So, both of them made bad decisions - the mother's to let her daughter choose, and the daughter for choosing against vaccination. Freedom isn't working for them, because they're not qualified to make the life and death decisions that having freedom to reject science and civic responsibility entail.
It was only in 1961 apparently that it was decriminalised in the UK, and it still is illegal in many other countries. All those on the wanted list and never to get justice.
Suicide legislation - Wikipedia
And what was the penalty for suicide? Resurrection?It was only in 1961 apparently that it was decriminalised in the UK, and it still is illegal in many other countries. All those on the wanted list and never to get justice.
Suicide legislation - Wikipedia
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Don't be absurd. It is exposing innocent people to possible infection. It's like drunk driving or smoking in a confined space. And in any case, the reason for his prison sentence is largely due to his threats and abuse.
If you "tell someone about Jesus"[excuse me while I throw up
] in KSA, and then threaten to punch a Saudi policeman who objects, what can you expect?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
In the West we have elevated personal Liberty to the status of a cult, and given it the highest possible political and social value.
Singapore is pretty much the exact opposite of that. But we will never understand China either, until we recognise that in the Far East, the interests of the community as a whole always take precedence over the rights of the individual.
Not saying either approach is entirely right or wrong btw. Just a very different set of values.
Turning a pandemic into politics, I see. And the right does not believe that they need to obey the law but can do anything they want no matter what the consequences including destroying the country.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Like you don't. lol
Perhaps a stay in purgatory, with limited or additional rights depending upon the next destination.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Singapore isn't known for being liberal. It's pretty much uber capitalistic. Sounds more fascist to me.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I think they also live on top of each other, so I guess their rules are to keep your neighbor two feet away from hearing what you are doing.
