Single Payer Health Care

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Trump did help get rid of the Obamacare tax mandate,

You believe that is a good thing. You believe that freeloaders should receive care and, thereby, increase the costs for everyone else.

That's rather shocking coming from someone who probably believes that everyone should be responsible for their own actions.

and believe me he has got a great healthcare plan in store he'll reveal ...

Why did he not reveal it when you folks controlled both Houses? Was it because ...

Trump: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'​

... and he didn't think his beautiful plan could be understood?

...if we should overcome election interference from China against our Presidential re-election bid in 2020.

Ah! I understand.
If Trump wins, it's because people like you still believe he will deliver a great healthcare plan and restore coal mining jobs and auto manufacturing jobs and farmers won't need multiple billion dollars subsidies because China will drop all tariffs and America will be Great Again.

If Trump loses, it will be because of Chinese interference.


Well, to paraphrase your Narcissist-in-Chief:
“China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find emails with even more dirt on the President,” I said.

 

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In more open market you have options to choose a different insurance. That provides more coverage at lower prices.

We had a "more open market". We still have an "open market". No one has to choose to get healthcare through ACA.
Maybe you are too young to remember that pre-ACA rates went up and up and up.
Maybe you are too young to remember that pre-ACA people with preexisting conditions either had to pay exorbitant rates or could not get coverage at all.

Scenario:
Charlie, 35-year-old, works for a company that provides great health care.\
Charlie gets a heart attack (or a car accident that messes up his back). His employer provided insurance pays all costs.
Charlie, now 39, wants to go into the consulting business. Pre-ACA he could not, because he could not get coverage for his heart (back).
Charlie, now 39, finds his employer has been cutting back on the company healthcare plan. He wants to move to Colorada where he has been offered a great job with a company that provides no coverage. Rock and a hard place.

 

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You believe that is a good thing. You believe that freeloaders should receive care and, thereby, increase the costs for everyone else.

I would support a single payer health care insurance system where everybody is medically insured; imo, this universal health insurance should be funded by a VAT system that pretty much anybody would contribute into each time he/she buys any consumer goods or services , so there'd be hardly any freeloaders there.

Why did he not reveal it when you folks controlled both Houses? Was it because ...

Trump: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'​

... and he didn't think his beautiful plan could be understood?

A federal court had ruled the Obamacare tax mandate to be unconstitutional, so I'm confident President Trump with bi-partisan support after the 2020 political elections is going to propose an affordable universal health care system where there will be some insured cost sharing, but would nevertheless sufficiently protect individuals against catastrophic financial losses due to medical costs from severe illnesses or major injuries.

 

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I would support a single payer health care insurance system where everybody is medically insured; imo, this universal health insurance should be funded by a VAT system that pretty much anybody would contribute into each time he/she buys any consumer goods or services , so there'd be hardly any freeloaders there.

I brought up "freeloaders" because you stated...

Trump did help get rid of the Obamacare tax mandate

No mandate = More Freeloaders.

A federal court had ruled the Obamacare tax mandate to be unconstitutional,

Could you please cite the case in which a Federal Court ruled the mandate to be unconstitutional. I thought Congress did it.

The Individual Mandate: Repealed, But Not Gone Yet - Making the Health Care System Work
But even though Congress did effectively eliminate the individual mandate,

The GOP Tax Bill Repeals Obamacare's Individual Mandate. Here's What That Means for You
The GOP’s new tax bill,​

so I'm confident President Trump with bi-partisan support after the 2020 political elections is going to propose an affordable universal health care system ...

On the off chance that he gets reelected, you believe he is going to propose a plan like the one he didn't propose when he had both houses of Congress. Uh huh.

 

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Could you please cite the case in which a Federal Court ruled the mandate to be unconstitutional. I thought Congress did it.

The Individual Mandate: Repealed, But Not Gone Yet - Making the Health Care System Work
But even though Congress did effectively eliminate the individual mandate,

The GOP Tax Bill Repeals Obamacare's Individual Mandate. Here's What That Means for You
The GOP’s new tax bill,​

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My bad, the individual mandate in of itself isn't unconstitutional, but rather the Affordable Care Act without the individual mandate has been ruled to be unconstitutional.

A Texas federal court judge has ruled the Affordable Care Act ( A C A ) is unconstitutional, because the A C A cannot stand now that Congress has rolled back the mandate that everyone carry health insurance or pay a fine.

“The Court finds the Individual Mandate ‘is essential to’ and inserverable from ‘the other provisions’ of the ACA,” judge Reed O’Connor wrote in December of 2018.

 

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My bad, the individual mandate in of itself isn't unconstitutional, but rather the Affordable Care Act without the individual mandate has been ruled to be unconstitutional.

A Texas federal court judge has ruled the Affordable Care Act ( A C A ) is unconstitutional, because the A C A cannot stand now that Congress has rolled back the mandate that everyone carry health insurance or pay a fine.

“The Court finds the Individual Mandate ‘is essential to’ and inserverable from ‘the other provisions’ of the ACA,” judge Reed O’Connor wrote in December of 2018.

Texas v. Azar: the Latest Challenge to the Affordable Care Act. What if …
The Fifth Circuit will consider the case in July, setting up the Supreme Court to render a final decision next year in the summer of 2020, months before the presidential election.


In the event that the Supreme Court invalidates the ACA in its entirety, Congress will face enormous pressure to act.

But if the Supreme Court overturns the ACA in whole or in part, it will be Congress—not the states—that must face that reality in the months leading up to the 2020 election.​

Be careful what you wish for. Unless you have a job with a guaranteed position and uncancellable health care coverage (yeah, I know, you don't - no one does) you are especially vulnerable.

 

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Texas v. Azar: the Latest Challenge to the Affordable Care Act. What if …
The Fifth Circuit will consider the case in July, setting up the Supreme Court to render a final decision next year in the summer of 2020, months before the presidential election.


In the event that the Supreme Court invalidates the ACA in its entirety, Congress will face enormous pressure to act.

But if the Supreme Court overturns the ACA in whole or in part, it will be Congress—not the states—that must face that reality in the months leading up to the 2020 election.​

Be careful what you wish for. Unless you have a job with a guaranteed position and uncancellable health care coverage (yeah, I know, you don't - no one does) you are especially vulnerable.

I predict by 2022, Obamacare will be replaced with an expansion of medicare A and B from senior coverage only to coverage from every American. ....

 

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I predict by 2022, Obamacare will be replaced with an expansion of medicare A and B from senior coverage only to coverage from every American. ....

Keep going with the embarrassed smiley faces.

If a Republican Congress with a Republican President would not, could not enact an alternative to the ACA, what makes you think a mixed Congress will/can? On what are you basing your "prediction"?

 

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Keep going with the embarrassed smiley faces.

If a Republican Congress with a Republican President would not, could not enact an alternative to the ACA, what makes you think a mixed Congress will/can? On what are you basing your "prediction"?

“Everybody agrees that ObamaCare doesn’t work. Premiums & deductibles are far too high – Really bad HealthCare!” Trump tweeted. “Even the Dems want to replace it, but with Medicare for all, which would cause 180 million Americans to lose their beloved private health insurance. The Republicans are developing a really great HealthCare Plan with far lower premiums (cost) & deductibles than ObamaCare.

“In other words it will be far less expensive & much more usable than ObamaCare. Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win back the House. It will be truly great HealthCare that will work for America. Also, Republicans will always support Pre-Existing Conditions. The Republican Party will be known as the Party of Great HealtCare. Meantime, the USA is doing better than ever & is respected again!”

-- President Donald J. Trump

In 2020, there will be a vote for a really great Health Care Plan; if Democrats fail to get on board with this great Health Care Plan in which Trump is referring, then I predict there will be bi-partisan support for an expansion of Medicare that'd be favored by a majority of Americans.

 

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“Everybody agrees that ObamaCare doesn’t work. Premiums & deductibles are far too high – Really bad HealthCare!” Trump tweeted. “Even the Dems want to replace it, but with Medicare for all, which would cause 180 million Americans to lose their beloved private health insurance. The Republicans are developing a really great HealthCare Plan with far lower premiums (cost) & deductibles than ObamaCare.

“In other words it will be far less expensive & much more usable than ObamaCare. Vote will be taken right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win back the House. It will be truly great HealthCare that will work for America. Also, Republicans will always support Pre-Existing Conditions. The Republican Party will be known as the Party of Great HealtCare. Meantime, the USA is doing better than ever & is respected again!”

-- President Donald J. Trump

In 2020, there will be a vote for a really great Health Care Plan; if Democrats fail to get on board with this great Health Care Plan in which Trump is referring, then I predict there will be bi-partisan support for an expansion of Medicare that'd be favored by a majority of Americans.

None of that nonsense is spongeworthy.

 

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None of that nonsense is spongeworthy.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway maintained that Republicans are “working on a plan” for replacing the Affordable Care Act, days after President Trump surprised members on both sides of the aisle when he declared that the Republican Party “will soon be known as the party of health care.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.c2e7e049c948


We will just have to wait and see next year what this Great Health Care Plan Trump promises entails.
Evidently unlike you, I have good faith in our POTUS and Republican Congressional leadership.

 

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Evidently unlike you, I have good faith in our POTUS and Republican Congressional leadership.

Evidently, unlike you, I look at history. The Repubs failed miserably when they had the chance.

 

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Evidently, unlike you, I look at history. The Repubs failed miserably when they had the chance.

The Republicans were betrayed by Senator John McCain who previously voted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but he failed to deliver the vote needed when this mattered to repeal and replace Obamacare. ...

 

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The Republicans were betrayed by Senator John McCain who previously voted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but he failed to deliver the vote needed when this mattered to repeal and replace Obamacare. ...

He understood his fellow Republicans had not drafted a viable replacement.

How John McCain became the pivotal vote that sent the GOP's healthcare efforts into disarray
Lydia Ramsey

Jul. 28, 2017, 12:22 PM

On Tuesday night, he voted "yes" on a version of the BCRA. But the next day he was one of seven Republican senators to vote against a repeal-without-replacement plan.​

 

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He understood his fellow Republicans had not drafted a viable replacement.

How John McCain became the pivotal vote that sent the GOP's healthcare efforts into disarray
Lydia Ramsey

Jul. 28, 2017, 12:22 PM

On Tuesday night, he voted "yes" on a version of the BCRA. But the next day he was one of seven Republican senators to vote against a repeal-without-replacement plan.​

He understood his fellow Republicans had not drafted a viable replacement.

How John McCain became the pivotal vote that sent the GOP's healthcare efforts into disarray
Lydia Ramsey

Jul. 28, 2017, 12:22 PM

On Tuesday night, he voted "yes" on a version of the BCRA. But the next day he was one of seven Republican senators to vote against a repeal-without-replacement plan.​

McCain was one of three Republicans who voted against a "skinny" of repeal Obamacare, that would have delayed the implementation of an Obamacare repeal for two years in order to have provided lawmakers time to come up with a replacement.

Sens. McCain and Murkowski pledged repeatedly to repeal Obamacare, but failed to deliver on this promise when their votes did matter for getting rid of Obamacare. ....

 

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The Republicans were betrayed by Senator John McCain who previously voted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but he failed to deliver the vote needed when this mattered to repeal and replace Obamacare. ...

The Republican party betrayed McCain when it failed to have a replacement for Obamacare. The only plan the Republican party has is to return to the broken pre-ACA system that bankrupts the middle class. The only real solution is a progressive tax and a single payer system like Medicare or the numerous other single payer systems across the globe that are half the cost of US healthcare.

 

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The Republicans were betrayed by Senator John McCain who previously voted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but he failed to deliver the vote needed when this mattered to repeal and replace Obamacare. ...

Repeal - yes. Replace - No. What were they going to replace ACA with? They had nothing. They still have nothing. Congressmen are supposed to be concerned with their constituents. Judges should be concerned with the law. If the Court's follow Texas' decision and invalidate ACA, - then what? Then 10's of millions will be without insurance.

Both sides agree we must repair our infrastructure. It's not happening. How, in your wildest dreams, do you suppose Congress will be able to agree on a health care bill?

 

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Repeal - yes. Replace - No. What were they going to replace ACA with? They had nothing. They still have nothing. Congressmen are supposed to be concerned with their constituents. Judges should be concerned with the law. If the Court's follow Texas' decision and invalidate ACA, - then what? Then 10's of millions will be without insurance.

Both sides agree we must repair our infrastructure. It's not happening. How, in your wildest dreams, do you suppose Congress will be able to agree on a health care bill?

The Republican party betrayed McCain when it failed to have a replacement for Obamacare. The only plan the Republican party has is to return to the broken pre-ACA system that bankrupts the middle class. The only real solution is a progressive tax and a single payer system like Medicare or the numerous other single payer systems across the globe that are half the cost of US healthcare.

I believe that the economics along with employer sponsored health insurance , which suits most Americans fine and dandy today, might not be as suitable for most Americans within ten years. Imo, many jobs now done by humans will be replaced with automation. This is why starting by 2026, I'd like to see a universal basic income benefit of $1,000/month for each American who is presently a non-recipient of social security and who would then be between the ages of 18 and 65. This broad based economic benefit system would replace the current welfare system for particular needy people. Also by then, I'd favor an expansion of Medicare Part A and Part B from medicare insurance for seniors only to universal health insurance for every American citizen. This universal basic income benefit system and Medicare-for-all universal health care insurance could be well funded by a VAT system at a rate of 10 percent along with modest income tax and excise tax increases.

 

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Stephen FRy on UK v US Health care...