Singularity as God

[idav]

There are no telescopes power enough to see into the next Cosmotic replication of this Cosmos,
OUR COSMOS ! The mirrors are out there, we just can't see them yet.
In regards to the "ripples" that supposodly we sense now....how do these "ripples" pass through the "void" that contains the expanding Cosmos, or "universe" as some call it,
what entity supports these "ripples" that supposedly stop at the frontier that connects the "universe" with the surrounding "void".
Nothing is there to move, what is the support mechanics involved, I guess we can't see far enough just yet.
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I am not sure what void your referring to. Default state was 'on' as opposed to 'off'.

 

[outhouse]

It makes sense to me that the energy and everything that is the universe to be god.


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You can imagine what you want, despite there not being any passages that state this without perversion of ones imagination.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

That's a pretty good idea, assuming you'd agree with me that, if God was the singularity, God IS every string, every dimension. That would be interesting and at the same time explain a lot about why the universe runs in a certain pattern, God is pretty much interacting through every dimension.

Not presently, I'm saying God has connected the dots at the very second time 'begins'.



In any case, that would mean God is getting fatter, we need to get it a diet plan

 

[Sha'irullah]

Cosmos is epitome of order? But what about the existence of entropy?

Entropy is an order also, we just cannot perceive it. If the cosmos was 1 atom different this would affect other atoms. When it comes to order, the cosmos is as ordered as it gets. It is just a matter of realizing that matter is deterministic. The fact that you even have particular thoughts is a result of particular stimuli and events in your brain which are the results of the atoms in your own head. Even your own thoughts are calculable before they even occur.

Freaky stuff ain't it?

 

[Sha'irullah]

This assertion that the universe is god is ludicrous. You are adding an unnecessary label to something that is already labelled. You are arguing for a god purely on a linguistic level.

 

[Bunyip]

Given the fact that it is not known to be possible to cross the event horizon of a singularity, are you positing a god that is not able to interact with the universe in any way?

A god that was a singularity would be a god that could not communicate or interact with anything in this universe.

 

[idav]

This assertion that the universe is god is ludicrous. You are adding an unnecessary label to something that is already labelled. You are arguing for a god purely on a linguistic level.

Well a god should be so by definition so some semantics need to be considered. I gave my definition of god which is different from what the definition of universe is.

Given the fact that it is not known to be possible to cross the event horizon of a singularity, are you positing a god that is not able to interact with the universe in any way?

A god that was a singularity would be a god that could not communicate or interact with anything in this universe.

I dont think a singularity implies that. I think it implies the opposite, that the universe is one and can interact intsantly across space or time.

 

[idav]

You can imagine what you want, despite there not being any passages that state this without perversion of ones imagination.

I am not trying to get god from the bible but from cosmology.

That's a pretty good idea, assuming you'd agree with me that, if God was the singularity, God IS every string, every dimension. That would be interesting and at the same time explain a lot about why the universe runs in a certain pattern, God is pretty much interacting through every dimension.

Not presently, I'm saying God has connected the dots at the very second time 'begins'.



In any case, that would mean God is getting fatter, we need to get it a diet plan

This inflation of god is making matter energy slower and lazier until the universe reaches heat death. Even beyond that the connections remain as if the fattness never really happened, I dont see heat death as an end any more than the singularity being the beginning.

 

[metis]

As cosmologists study the origins, the universe has given some very good clues. Creationists suppose a creator responisble for the universe and everything in it. It makes sense to me that the energy and everything that is the universe to be god.

When looking deeper into the universe the trick of time allows us to see the beginning. Theory of relativity shows time doesnt really exist because the energy and matter at speed of light or huge mass is timeless. Only at the high enough energy rates like that of a singularity would qualify as god like power. Everything else would be a temporal version of god, trapped in a material state, but within being divine. In the beginning of the big bang, time would not exist until the high energy states cooled down enough to form what we know as matter.

My view is not too distant from yours, namely that whatever caused our universe/multiverse I call "God", and pretty much just leave it at that. Not enough info for me to take it any further.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Well a god should be so by definition so some semantics need to be considered. I gave my definition of god which is different from what the definition of universe is.

What makes you think this is a valid definition for god, this has never been used before in history. Why do you get to redefine a word?

I assert a singularity or Absolute but I do not call this abstract god. I merely call it Heaven

 

[The Sum of Awe]

This assertion that the universe is god is ludicrous. You are adding an unnecessary label to something that is already labelled. You are arguing for a god purely on a linguistic level.

I agree, when it comes to natural pantheism. I do think the universe is alive and is God.

 

[idav]

What makes you think this is a valid definition for god, this has never been used before in history. Why do you get to redefine a word?

I assert a singularity or Absolute but I do not call this abstract god. I merely call it Heaven

I haven't seen anyone give a proper definition of god. I use the omni's as an attempt to define god as possibly, all knowing, all powerful, all present, and or all benevolent. Some of those attributes may not be compatible with each other but the basic gist is power. What defines god is power, being eternal and not being caused, anything else is just extra.

 

[George-ananda]

I haven't seen anyone give a proper definition of god.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe

: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions

: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

 

[The Sum of Awe]

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe

: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions

: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

The term is too broad

 

[George-ananda]

The term is too broad

That's Webster's dictionary. How would you change it?

 

[Sha'irullah]

I haven't seen anyone give a proper definition of god. I use the omni's as an attempt to define god as possibly, all knowing, all powerful, all present, and or all benevolent. Some of those attributes may not be compatible with each other but the basic gist is power. What defines god is power, being eternal and not being caused, anything else is just extra.

Throughout history the gods have been born and have been very humanoid. Must I point out the birth of Zeus the Almighty

 

[Sha'irullah]

That's Webster's dictionary. How would you change it?

Look at the etymology of god and you will be confused

 

[idav]

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe

: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions

: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

Throughout history the gods have been born and have been very humanoid. Must I point out the birth of Zeus the Almighty

I don't typically see even theists agree on a definition of God.

For me the definition is all knowing, all present and the source of everything including itself. Otherwise I have no reason to use the god label. If the universe really is all those things then the universe is more than what we are describing with more attributes like power and knowledge etc..

 

[George-ananda]

For me the definition is all knowing,

How can their be knowing without a knower.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I don't typically see even theists agree on a definition of God.

For me the definition is all knowing, all present and the source of everything including itself. Otherwise I have no reason to use the god label. If the universe really is all those things then the universe is more than what we are describing with more attributes like power and knowledge etc..

If that is the case then the universe is just the universe. Why add something abstract over it if the universe is concrete and understood.

Ancients called everything beyond the firmament heaven but the word itself merely means sky or that which is beyond the firmament so it is fitting. God on the other hand is not an alternative name and serves no true purpose other than to confuse people like myself