Singularity as God

[Sha'irullah]

Also if you are a pantheism ans conflate the universe as go then we are all pantheists despite our usage of words. I say there is no god while you call something we all perceive to be god. This is just being cheetsy

 

[idav]

How can their be knowing without a knower.

Same way life propagates without a knower, by use of evolution. Evolution making it look as if these organisms have intent but is illusory.

The data always exists without our need to know about it. The data being there means that knowing is a potential, and being the data should be close enough.

Knowing the data is more akin to having the knowledge in the form of a book and being able to retrieve it. If you have the book you have the data and knowledge, you don't have to be aware of every page to be able to do reference checks.

 

[idav]

Also if you are a pantheism ans conflate the universe as go then we are all pantheists despite our usage of words. I say there is no god while you call something we all perceive to be god. This is just being cheetsy

I don't mean to conflate the universe. The universe isn't necessarily the singularity. It is the attributes of reality that make it deserve the label god, as being a source of insane amounts of power and knowledge.

Hey if the universe doesn't need any creator thats great but something comes about on its own. Yes everyone would be theists if they agreed with my definitions because I am using the described attributes of reality itself and finding that it is something more while being one the same with all.

 

[outhouse]

I am not trying to get god from the bible but from cosmology.

Ya well the mythology did not start there, so now your only using imagination.

This inflation of god is making matter energy slower and lazier until the universe reaches heat death. Even beyond that the connections remain as if the fattness never really happened, I dont see heat death as an end any more than the singularity being the beginning.

See what you want, it is perverting the mythology.

 

[idav]

Ya well the mythology did not start there, so now your only using imagination.





See what you want, it is perverting the mythology.

Depends on which scientific theories are correct. String theory hasnt been ruled out.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

That's Webster's dictionary. How would you change it?

I wouldn't. The definition itself isn't specific.

 

[outhouse]

Depends on which scientific theories are correct. String theory hasnt been ruled out.

Has nothing to do with your imagination

 

[Ouroboros]

I think we may discover more powerful elements of space in the future. By the way people also conceive God as something that controls our lives and fates. I highly doubt that singularity falls into that category.

Not all people conceive God that way.

It's a bit like Deism. God/Singularity creates/causes the Universe, but then leaves it to its own course.

In Deism, God doesn't interact with the world. He/she/it only caused it but never controls it after.

 

[Ouroboros]

I haven't seen anyone give a proper definition of god. I use the omni's as an attempt to define god as possibly, all knowing, all powerful, all present, and or all benevolent. Some of those attributes may not be compatible with each other but the basic gist is power. What defines god is power, being eternal and not being caused, anything else is just extra.

Yup.

God is something/someone more powerful than us, knows more, existed before us and will exist after us. The Universe is more powerful than anyone of us. It contains all knowledge, even if it doesn't technically "know" things the same way as we know things. It existed way before us, and will exist after we're gone. For all sakes and purposes, it fits that criteria.

 

[Ouroboros]

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe

: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions

: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

He asked for a "proper definition." It means "satisfactory or correctly." The definitions of God there are very vague, and I think they even forgot some definitions. I don't see any of those definitions fit for Natural Pantheism or Deism.

 

[`mud]

I'm trying to figure the synapsis here:
Was the Jewish/Christian/Muslum god the creator of all that exists ?
If so.....was he inside the singularity or outside of it ?
Was he the total void of nothingness, or the everything of fullness ?
And I still want to know.....what formed the container of the singularity ?
~
'mud

 

[George-ananda]

He asked for a "proper definition." It means "satisfactory or correctly." The definitions of God there are very vague, and I think they even forgot some definitions. I don't see any of those definitions fit for Natural Pantheism or Deism.

OK, good point. I wonder if we can define the word 'God' in a way that would make everyone happy. It's usually impossible to make everyone happy.

 

[Ouroboros]

OK, good point. I wonder if we can define the word 'God' in a way that would make everyone happy. It's usually impossible to make everyone happy.

Actually, my view today is more of that "God" is what you make him/her/it to be. I think it should be personal and not objectively defined by a committee of some old philosophical dudes in tweed jackets. It shouldn't be the same. It shouldn't be declared from high. It shouldn't be told by a priest/pastor/teacher what you're supposed to feel, believe, think. God should be the ultimate reflection on what you think the world is and what's beyond.

With that said, it's not wrong to challenge someone's views on what God is so we all can change and improve our image.

 

[Ouroboros]

Also if you are a pantheism ans conflate the universe as go then we are all pantheists despite our usage of words. I say there is no god while you call something we all perceive to be god. This is just being cheetsy

What's "cheetsy"?

 

[George-ananda]

Also if you are a pantheism ans conflate the universe as go then we are all pantheists despite our usage of words. I say there is no god while you call something we all perceive to be god. This is just being cheetsy

What's "cheetsy"?

I think we need multiple words for 'God' but that's not part of the English language.

Just like the word 'Love' in English. I heard Greek has multiple words that we translate as 'Love'.

This shows how language limits the ability to communicate ideas.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think we need multiple words for 'God' but that's not part of the English language.

Just like the word 'Love' in English. I heard Greek has multiple words that we translate as 'Love'.

This shows how language limits the ability to communicate ideas.

Agree.

The use of the term "God" to represent the universe is like using poetic language to describe ordinary things. It's a metaphor. We also use words like "world", "nature", "reality", and more, and they all represent different aspects and ideas of the same things. God as a term for reality is basically a way of showing reverence and respect for the power, influence, source, vastness, etc of the world we live in. It's the aspect of awe and wonder. Language isn't direct or specific. It's molded by the author to represent what he/she is trying to say, and it's never like a binary code that just transmits a perfect uncompressed image of someone's thoughts. Our words tell stories, even when we try not to.

 

[`mud]

We could all go back to calling Him "RA"
That worked for Moses !
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'mud

 

[Ouroboros]

We could all go back to calling Him "RA"
That worked for Moses !
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'mud

Or Ahura Mazda.

 

[psychoslice]

The obvious question is that if you think the universe is god - why not just call it 'the universe', and avoid all of the unecessary inferences?

What difference does it make to call the universe 'god'?

I agree, lets keep god out of it, its a loaded word that only destroys the mystery of the cosmos, in fact the word cosmos means "everything that exists anywhere".

 

[`mud]

BUMB to Moses
~
'mud