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Sister Beck's Talk

nutshell

nutshell

Well-Known Member
madhatter85 said:
Someone answer me why they took the name of the Talk out of Context?

She address "Mothers" seeing as the name of her talk was "Mothers who know"

These women seem to take it that she was addressing every woman in the church.

Why?
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Because the talk was given at General conference. Her audience wasn't mothers, it was everyone.
 
madhatter85

madhatter85

Transhumanist
nutshell said:
Because the talk was given at General conference. Her audience wasn't mothers, it was everyone.
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So? there are other talks given at the SAME general conference that target specific demographics within the church. Fathers, Mothers, Husbands and Wives, Youth, Women, Men, Missionaries, Teachers.... just because it was given at General conference does not mean it all applies to everyone.
 
nutshell

nutshell

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madhatter85 said:
So? there are other talks given at the SAME general conference that target specific demographics within the church. Fathers, Mothers, Husbands and Wives, Youth, Women, Men, Missionaries, Teachers.... just because it was given at General conference does not mean it all applies to everyone.
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The first rule of any presentation is know your audience. Even if the speaker focuses on a particular demographic, the audience is still the general church membership and the talk is meant for the whole. By focusing on mothers, Beck was stating that this was her demographic, but because it was given in general conference, she was also stating that everyone should listen up. After all, I think she wanted the fathers and husbands to know they didn't have to do the dishes anymore.
 
DeepShadow

DeepShadow

White Crow
nutshell said:
By telling the mothers who know that it is their sacred duty.
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Did she say it was their duty ALONE? Because in male-only priesthood sessions, I've been told that it's my duty to raise up my children in the gospel. Should I tell my wife that she doesn't have to raise our children anymore?
 
nutshell

nutshell

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Sola'lor said:
It was also Adam's duty to till the Earth and work be the sweat of His brow for food. But Eve helped him with it.
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This meant they would have to work for what they needed from that point on. That's a lot different than telling mothers their sacred duty is to do dishes.:rolleyes:
 
nutshell

nutshell

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DeepShadow said:
Did she say it was their duty ALONE? Because in male-only priesthood sessions, I've been told that it's my duty to raise up my children in the gospel. Should I tell my wife that she doesn't have to raise our children anymore?
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It's doing the dishes, Deep. I'm sorry if you don't see the sexism in that.
 
DeepShadow

DeepShadow

White Crow
nutshell said:
It's doing the dishes, Deep. I'm sorry if you don't see the sexism in that.
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I'm trying to; I conceded in on other things, maybe I'm missing something here. Please help me. She said that homemaking was a sacred duty, and then rattled off a list of things that it included.

Mothers Who Know Are Nurturers
Mothers who know are nurturers. This is their special assignment and role under the plan of happiness.5 To nurture means to cultivate, care for, and make grow. Therefore, mothers who know create a climate for spiritual and temporal growth in their homes. Another word for nurturing is homemaking. Homemaking includes cooking, washing clothes and dishes, and keeping an orderly home. Home is where women have the most power and influence; therefore, Latter-day Saint women should be the best homemakers in the world. Working beside children in homemaking tasks creates opportunities to teach and model qualities children should emulate. Nurturing mothers are knowledgeable, but all the education women attain will avail them nothing if they do not have the skill to make a home that creates a climate for spiritual growth. Growth happens best in a "house of order," and women should pattern their homes after the Lord's house (see D&C 109). Nurturing requires organization, patience, love, and work. Helping growth occur through nurturing is truly a powerful and influential role bestowed on women.
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I'd like to ask the Sisters reading this thread to comment specifically on this quote, if they would.

To me, it sounds like she's trying to elevate the status of homemaking out of the drudgery that it's often seen as, and point out the vital component that it plays in spirituality. And where does she say that men are not supposed to help in the homemaking?
 
Sola'lor

Sola'lor

LDSUJC
nutshell said:
This meant they would have to work for what they needed from that point on. That's a lot different than telling mothers their sacred duty is to do dishes.:rolleyes:
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I may be wrong but I seem to recall the commandment being given specifically to Adam. Eve's commandment was to give birth to children.
 
DeepShadow

DeepShadow

White Crow
Y'know, the more I think about this, the more I think that there is one single big problem with Sister Beck's talk: it wasn't given in the RS session of conference.

Had this been given in the RS session, with an all-woman audience, her failure to mention men would be far easier to understand. My wife and I both thought it WAS from the RS session until others pointed it out. It sounds like a Relief Society talk, but when directed at the entire church, I can see how it seems like an indictment of sisterhood.

If it weren't for that pesky stripling warriors bit, I'd be almost ready to sign the petition.
 
madhatter85

madhatter85

Transhumanist
DeepShadow said:
Y'know, the more I think about this, the more I think that there is one single big problem with Sister Beck's talk: it wasn't given in the RS session of conference.

Had this been given in the RS session, with an all-woman audience, her failure to mention men would be far easier to understand. My wife and I both thought it WAS from the RS session until others pointed it out. It sounds like a Relief Society talk, but when directed at the entire church, I can see how it seems like an indictment of sisterhood.

If it weren't for that pesky stripling warriors bit, I'd be almost ready to sign the petition.
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another talk was given by her in the RS session which is extremely similar and has a few key points that she says Verbatim between both talks.
 
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