Sister Beck's Talk

[Bishka]

Again, go to lds.org and in the search window look up talks on this and you will see what i am talkign about.

So you can't be bothered to prove what you are saying is true? Just because I pay my tithing doesn't mean I'm going to have enough for groceries, just because I've kept the Word of Wisdom doesn't mean I';m not going to get breast cancer.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's just not how it works.

 

[madhatter85]

I pay my tithing and i always have enough for groceries, I pay it with a happy heart because i know i will be taken care of nomatter what. Also, if you follow the word of Wisdom, do you not have faith that the lord will protect you? do you not have faith that he will preserve your life? even if you get breast cancer?

The word of Wisdom also never says anything about protecting you from Cancer, it says you will have strength, and will walk and not be weary, and run and shall not faint. and that you will find knowledge, even hidden treasures of knowlegde.

If you don't pay your tithing in faith, it is meaningless. if you don;t follow the word of Wisdom in Faith, it is meaningless.

 

[Bishka]

I pay my tithing and i always have enough for groceries, I pay it with a happy heart because i know i will be taken care of nomatter what.

Where does the Lord say this in the scriptures, or the Prophets. I want to hear it from their lips, not yours.

Also, if you follow the word of Wisdom, do you not have faith that the lord will protect you? do you not have faith that he will preserve your life? even if you get breast cancer?

I have complete faith in the Lord that if He wants me to go through a trial He will. He knows I follow His commandments, but He is not going to spare me from life if I keep the commandments. My eternal reward is why I keep the commandments, not for the temporal things.

 

[madhatter85]

Correction, He blesses you both temprally and spiritually.

 

[Bishka]

Correction, He blesses you both temprally and spiritually.

Correction.

Get your head out of your behind and show me some scriptures and/or statements.

 

[madhatter85]

Go look them up yourself, I'm tired of explainign anything to you. all you ever want to do is argue every point i make loud and clear,I don't want to make you look dumb.

Go look up Tithing in the Topical Guide or go look up tempral blessings and spiritual blessings. go to LDS.org, you will see I am right. I challenge everyone to go look it up for themselves.

Joseph Smith jr.

There has been a great difficulty in getting anything into the heads of this generation. It has been like splitting hemlock knots with a corn-dodger for a wedge and a pumpkin for a beetle.

 

[Bishka]

Go look them up yourself, I'm tired of explainign anything to you. all you ever want to do is argue every point i make loud and clear,I don't want to make you look dumb.

Oh, I hardly think anyone but you thinks that.

I argue most of your points, because they are semi-truths and fallacies.

Go look up Tithing in the Topical Guide or go look up tempral blessings and spiritual blessings. go to LDS.org, you will see I am right. I challenge everyone to go look it up for themselves.

Nice try.

As soon as I get back from work, I will present you with what I have found, because you obviously could care less about backing up what you claim.

 

[madhatter85]

Oh, I hardly think anyone but you thinks that.

Oh is that why i got frubals for this post?:

Again, you are only trying to appeal to everyone else and argue with me rather than standing up for your own beliefs and doctrine.

I'm not the only one who knows that you argue with me just to argue.

I argue most of your points, because they are semi-truths and fallacies.

wrong, you don't even believe in the basic doctrines of the LDS church otherwise you wouldn't complain abotu sister Beck's talk.

Nice try.
As soon as I get back from work, I will present you with what I have found, because you obviously could care less about backing up what you claim.

Why don't you go home like a good wife and "stand barefoot in the kitchen doing dishes and make babies" as LDSLDS seems to think "good little wives" do.

 

[nutshell]

Why don't you go home like a good wife and "stand barefoot in the kitchen doing dishes and make babies" as LDSLDS seems to think "good little wives" do.

That's your doctrine - not mine. That's exactly what I've been fighting against.

 

[nutshell]

Capable - If you and your spouse's plumbing works.

If you want to bring up finances or mental readiness, you should realize that if you heed the council of the prophets you will be mentally ready and financially stable enough to have children by the time you are married.

You are so wrong about this I don't even know where to begin. Are you aware of the number of poor LDS who are not mentally ready who are pumping out babies? Are you aware of how awful the children's lives are?

 

[Katzpur]

If you truely did all that. then it is off your head and you shouldn't feel liek you failed as long as you truely did everything you can do. If you truely Didn't do everything you could do, then you have to worry.

No one ever did everything he could have done, MH. No one. I made mistakes. If I had it to do over again, I might do some things differently and then again, I might not. The bottom line is that I did the best I knew how at the time. And talks reminding me of my inadequacies don't score big with me.

 

[Katzpur]

Is there something wrogn with refusing to bare children?

Well, they kind of have to be bare when you bathe them.

When you are capable of baring children, Yes. it is wrong for married couple to refuse to have children because "I don't like kids" or "I want my freedom" or other excuses or similar selfish natures. You are refusing to help all those spirit children who are waiting for thier turn to have a body. You are breaking God's first commandment to "multiply and replenish..."

God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth. I wonder why. Maybe it was because the earth needed replenishing. He also told Noah to build an ark. Have you built yours yet or are you breaking God's commandment.

So if I didn't want six or eight kids, I should have had six or eight kids anyway? Is that what you're really saying? Or are you saying that "good LDS women" do want six or eight kids, and that any LDS woman who doesn't, isn't "good, righteous, obedient," etc. etc. etc.?

 

[Katzpur]

Capable - If you and your spouse's plumbing works.

So you have to be physically capable and that's it? The fact that I know that I literally would not have been able to mentally cope with a half dozen kids is beside the point, right?

 

[Katzpur]

Oh is that why i got frubals for this post?

Honey, if RF allowed negative frubals, you'd be half-way to hell by now. There are few sins that positively disgust me like pride, and boy, do you ever have that one nailed!

 

[nutshell]

Honey, if RF allowed negative frubals, you'd be half-way to hell by now. There are few sins that positively disgust me like pride, and boy, do you ever have that one nailed!

I'd frubal you, but apparently I've got to spread the love first (to anyone, but MH).

 

[Bishka]

wrong, you don't even believe in the basic doctrines of the LDS church otherwise you wouldn't complain abotu sister Beck's talk.

And just how do you intend to prove that I don't believe in the basic doctrine of the LDS Church?

As far as I know 'basic doctrines'. they seem to be the Articles of Faith

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

Nope, don't have a single problem with any of these. In fact, when the bishop does my temple interview he also asks similar questions in which he asks about my beliefs and whether I truly have a testimony, and I have never lied in a temple interview yet, and I don't plan too.

So how is it that I don't believe in the 'basic doctrines' of the LDS Church? If I don't, then Katzpur and me must be ultimate heretics to you.

 

[Bishka]

I'm not the only one who knows that you argue with me just to argue.

I argue with you because I disagree with you, how many times do I have to say that? I find arguing for the sake of arguing to be ridiculous.

Why don't you go home like a good wife and "stand barefoot in the kitchen doing dishes and make babies" as LDSLDS seems to think "good little wives" do.

LDSLSD seems to clearly be against that -- or did you not read the sarcasm in his post?

 

[madhatter85]

Okay, so after talkign with basically every LDS woman in my ward over the last 2 weeks, I see now that the women on this forum are just butthurt, I have not met a single person in my ward who disliked her talk, they all loved it. I even heard from a woman "The people who didn't like her talk are probably unhappy with thier own lives and just don't want to hear about it" and "They probably know they don't live up and got 'pooey'."

So, really.... It's just you guys.... sorry to let you know that

 

[SoyLeche]

Okay, so after talkign with basically every LDS woman in my ward over the last 2 weeks, I see now that the women on this forum are just butthurt, I have not met a single person in my ward who disliked her talk, they all loved it. I even heard from a woman "The people who didn't like her talk are probably unhappy with thier own lives and just don't want to hear about it" and "They probably know they don't live up and got 'pooey'."

So, really.... It's just you guys.... sorry to let you know that

Either that or the women you've talked to just didn't want to let their real feelings known in a non-anonymous way. I would bet that if they were all members here many of them would be siding with Katz.

My wife didn't have too many problems with what Sis. Beck said, but she does understand why some would.

 

[Bishka]

So, really.... It's just you guys.... sorry to let you know that

Not really, have you gotten a chance to talk to every LDS woman in the Church? I'm sure you'll find it's not just 'us'. Like Soyleche said, just because they 'agreed' with it in talking with you doesn't mean they had any problems with. In person, people are a lot nicer and usually don't say if something was bothering them. In fact, I was talking to someone at work (an LDS girl my age), and we brought up Sister Beck's talk, she liked it a lot, I held back on what I truly felt, but in what I told her she understood why I felt that way.

You must really think horribly of the women of the Church to think that they all agree with the women you've supposedly talk to in your ward.

I'm sure Sister Beck is a wonderful woman, I just didn't like her talk.