Sister Beck's Talk

[madhatter85]

You know that's sarcasm, right? :areyoucra

no, what is sarcasm? or should we open a new thread about sarcasm?

 

[SoyLeche]

First rule of authorship - KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

If she wanted to give a pep talk to mothers she should have saved that talk for the appropriate time. She knew this was GENERAL CONFERENCE - meaning, there was a GENERAL audience.

I just read it. My biggest critique would be about the last quarter of the talk that she addressed to the "Relief Society presidencies." While the information may have been valuable, she just shut the door on 90+% of her audience. Not very effective, IMO. She began the talk by quoting Pres. Hinkley from a Worldwide Leadership Training. Why doesn't she save her remarks for the leadership for such a training rather than alienating the rest of her audience???

Almost every Priesthood Session there is at least one talk directed specifically at the Aaronic Priesthood (often even more granular - at Deacons). I remember one confernece talk (I believe it was Pres. Hinckley) dirrected specifically at Bishops.

It's not a strange occurance, nor do I believe it is inappropriate at all. Why shouldn't husbands and children be present for a talk directed at their wives and mothers? And, I would suspect that a large part of the women of the church either are, have been, or will be in a RS presidency - and it's a certainty that they will have to work with an RS presidency - so I don't see a problem having all of the RS receive remarks directed at the presidency.

 

[Bishka]

this post was not directed to you, and you are takign it personally.

Really now? Let's check that out...

It is sad to hear you reject the words of the prophets. maybe see the beam in your own eye and maybe you'll be humbled enough to listen to the words of prophets.

Yeah, that's definitely not directed at me.

 

[SoyLeche]

For the most part, no it doesn't.

The way she went around giving her talk and how she said some things is what I have the main issue with. It's all about the presentation and attitude. I've seen similar talks that I've full-heartedly agreed with, but their attitude and presentation were completely different.

Well, then, disregard this talk and go find some of the others.

Or do what Henry Eyring told his son he always did. At a meeting, if the talk wasn't interesting him he figured out the topic and composed a talk to himself on the subject. He said he'd never sat through a boring meeting since he started doing that

 

[madhatter85]

1. She isn't a prophet. 2. I'm not mocking, I'm simply disagreeing with what she said. 3. You need to learn the meaning of the word mocking

1. She is a Servant of the Lord and can recieve revelation and inspiration just the same.
2 Yes, by not heeding the words and making comments liek "molly-mormon" and peter-priesthood" In that tone when she sever said any of those things. Yes, youa re mockign her, You must really like dicionary.com. are you also OCD? do you take verything extremely literal?

It may be you opinion that I am doing these things, but I am simply disagreeing with her methodology of approaching this subject and how it came across. There have been hundreds of other talks by different Relief Society presidents towards the women and for the most part, I've loved them all.

So what HOW she did it, you aren't complaining about HOW she did it, you are disagreeing with WHAT she said. if you didn't disagree with WHAT she said then why are you complaining about her talk?

To correct you, I don't feel inadequate. I know what I can do, and I know how I can grow, I would suggest you work on your own salvation instead of worrying about mine.

Here are your comments from earlier posts.

Great, so if we aren't, we are a failure? Way to go, make us feel like crap if we can't keep to your standard of living.

We aren't perfect, give us a break.

The idea that you have to be perfect in everything to be a good wife is a bit sickening for us women.

(side note) the Lord want's us to strive towards perfection. deal with it)

That is a complete and utter falsity. I have tried being the 'perfect molly-mormon housewife'. That title does not suit me. My title encompasses: mother (someday), sister, wife, daughter, educator, entertainer, etc.

then it's your choice and your will to not do what the commandments are. because it "doesn't suit you" sounds Alot like Jonah and the Whale, but hey, we all have free agency to choose what we want right?

If you really understood what you would saying, that you would actually understand how your attitude disgusts many women. You are basically telling me to try harder when you have not a clue what I am doing in my life.

Everyone will get offended at something, I know that much, my attitude? I treat my wife like a princess, i spoil her, i make sure she is always happy before my own happiness. my world revolves around her, and she does the same to me, that is why we are married and our marriage works. Women would LOVE to have a husband like me.

So guess what, you aren't doing good enough, try harder, and even if you try harder, that's still not good enough, so I'm going to have to lecture you that you aren't trying harder and you aren't really listening to the prophets, you are mocking them because you haven't tried hard enough. See what I mean?

I'm going to cry now :sad4:, Not.... Ever worked? it doesn't phase men, we don't whine we just get better. or we loose our Job. That plain and simple.

 

[Bishka]

Or do what Henry Eyring told his son he always did. At a meeting, if the talk wasn't interesting him he figured out the topic and composed a talk to himself on the subject. He said he'd never sat through a boring meeting since he started doing that

That's actually a really good idea!

 

[nutshell]

And, I would suspect that a large part of the women of the church either are, have been, or will be in a RS presidency -

that's an overstatement. It's usually a member of the same click every time.

 

[Bishka]

(side note) the Lord want's us to strive towards perfection. deal with it)

Oh, I can deal with that, but that Lord is not expecting me to be the 'World's Best Homemaker' here on this earth. He is expecting me to try, but there is no where that He expects to reach perfection.

Women would LOVE to have a husband like me.

:biglaugh:

Thanks for good laugh.

My husband just fine for me. He treats me like queen, listens to my opinions, thoughts and feelings, and doesn't make me be the 'perfect housewife'.

 

[madhatter85]

Oh, I can deal with that, but that Lord is not expecting me to be the 'World's Best Homemaker' here on this earth. He is expecting me to try, but there is no where that He expects to reach perfection.

no, he expects you to DO. not to TRY.

:biglaugh:

Thanks for good laugh.

Your Welcome.

My husband just fine for me. He treats me like queen, listens to my opinions, thoughts and feelings, and doesn't make me be the 'perfect housewife'.

#1 i'm glad you love your husband so stop hitting on me.

#2 if you are implyign i force anything on my wife you are grossly mistaken, that is her choice and it pleases me that she wants to have a family and that she agrees with the leaders of the LDS church on the family and divine roles in the home.

 

[Bishka]

#1 i'm glad you love your husband so stop hitting on me.

You flatter yourself too much.:areyoucra

 

[madhatter85]

that's an overstatement. It's usually a member of the same click every time.

wrong, I know people who have moved across the world and the next week they were called as stake president and other positions of authority when they have never held a callign before, the lord wants certain people in certain places at certain times. People who call thier councelors just because theya re thier "friend" or whatever, are abusing thier calling. and that will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[SoyLeche]

that's an overstatement. It's usually a member of the same click every time.

You may not realize that a large part of the members of the church live in small wards and branches. You can't avoid eventually being in the presidency if there are only 20 other women in your RS.

 

[Katzpur]

So what or who is 'Molly Mormon'? I know it's used negatively but what is so bad about her? I mean it's not bad to fit the stereotype is it (although I doubt many do)? Is there something wrong with her? Is she self righteous or something? Is she judgemental? Or does she just drive us crazy because she is too perfect?

Yeah, maybe that's it. She's too perfect. She's not real, but she has managed to convince many good LDS women that they have failed because they can't possibly measure up to her.

I know a lot of poeple who are married, well off financially, and don't have children. Granted, there are many things I don't know, but it seems like sometimes people just don't want to go to the trouble of having kids. That's when it's sad to me.

Yes, there are many things you don't know. My husband and I were married for nine years before we had children. When we had our first (we had two), it was by choice. But for the nine years before we had children, it was also by choice. We would have been financially able to have children before we did, but -- to put it bluntly -- I have never been all that crazy about kids. I love my two children (both grown now) more than anything in the world, and I did my best to be a good mother to them. We have an excellent relationship with each other. Neither one of them is active in the Church, however, which literally breaks my heart. Talks like Sister Beck's make me feel like I failed my Heavenly Father. Do you have any idea how that feels? I did my best, but apparently it wasn't good enough. Women don't need that kind of guilt trip. We're hard enough on ourselves without help from people like Sister Beck.

 

[Katzpur]

My wife isn't even a member of the Church and she loved the talk. the only people whining about it are members of the church who should already know the divine roles of each family member.

Good for her. Back thirty-five or so years ago when I was a new bride with stars in my eyes, I probably would have thought the same thing. Let me hear from you when your kids are grown and out of the house, when they have rejected the things you hold close to your heart and seldom speak of the Church except to find fault with it. Experience is a great teacher, MH.

 

[nutshell]

I was talking to my spouse about this and we decided it's great MH and his wife found each other and it's great me and my spouse found each other. Beck's "way" certainly works for some, but we are ignorant if we think it's the only way. Because me and Katzpur don't do it Beck's way does that mean we won't reach the Celestial Kingdom? I don't think so. And if MH or anyone says otherwise, they better take that beam from their eye and look inside themselves. How dare they judge any of us who are doing our best.

 

[madhatter85]

Good for her. Back thirty-five or so years ago when I was a new bride with stars in my eyes, I probably would have thought the same thing. Let me hear from you when your kids are grown and out of the house, when they have rejected the things you hold close to your heart and seldom speak of the Church except to find fault with it. Experience is a great teacher, MH.

My mother raised me in the church and i went inactive for about 5 years, I'm sure it broke my mother's heart. But, If you raise your kids in a loving home where you spend time together, having family home evenings every week, going to church and making it fun with your kids, There's no way you can fail, having the spirit in your home always is key.

Even if you are rasied in the church, you all have to become "converted" at one point or another. the point where you stop taking things for granted and you realize that you actually have your own testimony, and you realize the importance of it all. Explaining the importance of baptism and making and keeping sacred temple covenants, explaining the importance of the Book of Mormon. Raising your children in righteousness. If you truely did all that. then it is off your head and you shouldn't feel liek you failed as long as you truely did everything you can do. If you truely Didn't do everything you could do, then you have to worry.

 

[nutshell]

My mother raised me in the church and i went inactive for about 5 years, I'm sure it broke my mother's heart. But, If you raise your kids in a loving home where you spend time together, having family home evenings every week, going to church and making it fun with your kids, There's no way you can fail, having the spirit in your home always is key.

Even if you are rasied in the church, you all have to become "converted" at one point or another. the point where you stop taking things for granted and you realize that you actually have your own testimony, and you realize the importance of it all. Explaining the importance of baptism and making and keeping sacred temple covenants, explaining the importance of the Book of Mormon. Raising your children in righteousness. If you truely did all that. then it is off your head and you shouldn't feel liek you failed as long as you truely did everything you can do. If you truely Didn't do everything you could do, then you have to worry.

Thanks, Bishop.

 

[madhatter85]

I was talking to my spouse about this and we decided it's great MH and his wife found each other and it's great me and my spouse found each other. Beck's "way" certainly works for some, but we are ignorant if we think it's the only way. Because me and Katzpur don't do it Beck's way does that mean we won't reach the Celestial Kingdom? I don't think so. And if MH or anyone says otherwise, they better take that beam from their eye and look inside themselves. How dare they judge any of us who are doing our best.

Did i ever say you won't make it to the celestial kingdom? no.

I said, basically, that you should have nothing to worry about or feel ashamed or bad about as long as you did the best you could. The Lord's plan is not based around the wants and desires of mankind, there is one straight and narrow path that leads to exaltation. If you whine about what someone said because it makes you feel guilty, then you must have a reason to feel guilty. Otherwise, stop being butthurt over something someone said when it doesn't apply to you.

 

[madhatter85]

Thanks, Bishop.

glad i could help

 

[nutshell]

Did i ever say you won't make it to the celestial kingdom? no.

I said, basically, that you should have nothing to worry about or feel ashamed or bad about as long as you did the best you could. The Lord's plan is not based around the wants and desires of mankind, there is one straight and narrow path that leads to exaltation. If you whine about what someone said because it makes you feel guilty, then you must have a reason to feel guilty. Otherwise, stop being butthurt over something someone said when it doesn't apply to you.

I never said I feel guilty.

I said Beck is wrong to apply her Molliness onto everyone. It is NOT THE ONLY PATH.