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Sister Beck's Talk

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
All in all, this was my least favorite conference - EVER!
I hear ya! I can't even tell you how livid this talk made me. I can't even say I heard the whole thing because after her first three or four sentences, I was crying, swearing, yelling at her, throwing things, etc. I don't know anything about her really, but I'd be willing to bet she raised 8 kids. They all got straight A's in high school and went to BYU. They all went on missions, came home and got married in the temple. Now they're all Bishops or Stake Presidents or Relief Society Presidents, and she has twenty cute little grandkids who idolize her. Of course, all of this came about because she was such a perfect mother. She did everything right. How else could her kids have turned out but perfect. This kind of mentality makes me want to throw up.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
I can't remember people fighting over a conference talk like this since my teachings of the living prophets class when we discussed the "Mothers in Zion" talk by Ezra Taft Benson.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
The rest of my reply to the talk:

Sister Beck said:
3 President Ezra Taft Benson taught that young couples should not postpone having children and that "in the eternal perspective, children—not possessions, not position, not prestige—are our greatest jewels."4

Where it was stated, I do not recall, but President Gordon B. Hinckley said that women should be getting their education (if possible), and that a family should be semi-secure financially before having children. These things are very important.

To just pop out babies without a care of how they are going to be cared for or anything like that is to invite disaster.

An to counter President Benson, most LDS couples who are postponing children are not doing it for possessions, position or prestige. They are doing it because they have 1)Conferred with each other and the Lord on the subject and gotten an answer 2 ) Realized that their current situation (whether low income or such) is not conducive to raising a children 3) Realized that getting an education is very important and that they want to provide for the family. (The women as well. You never know what will happen in a family and having an education whether she uses the degree or not will benefit her future children)

Sister Beck said:
Faithful daughters of God desire children.

Not all, and we should not lay the blame at their feet. There are some LDS women I know that really do not want children, but they will keep God's commandments and have them. (And in most cases, they realize how much they love their children and grow to love them). Just because you have one child doesn't make you any less faithful then someone who has eight.

Sister Beck said:
Mothers who know honor sacred ordinances and covenants. I have visited sacrament meetings in some of the poorest places on the earth where mothers have dressed with great care in their Sunday best despite walking for miles on dusty streets and using worn-out public transportation. They bring daughters in clean and ironed dresses with hair brushed to perfection; their sons wear white shirts and ties and have missionary haircuts. These mothers know they are going to sacrament meeting, where covenants are renewed. These mothers have made and honor temple covenants. They know that if they are not pointing their children to the temple, they are not pointing them toward desired eternal goals. These mothers have influence and power.

So Mother's who have children who run around screaming and then come to Church with a little dirt on their knee, their hair a little frizzy and just a little bit late with a stain on their clothing are less spiritual and aren't keeping the commandments?

Mothers cannot be perfect all the time, and to judge mothers because they do not fit the 'Betty Crocker' standard is ridiculous.


Sister Beck said:
To nurture means to cultivate, care for, and make grow. Therefore, mothers who know create a climate for spiritual and temporal growth in their homes. Another word for nurturing is homemaking.

Actually, they are not synonyms.

dictionary.com said:
nur·ture
1. to feed and protect: to nurture one's offspring.
2. to support and encourage, as during the period of training or development; foster: to nurture promising musicians.
3. to bring up; train; educate.
–noun
4. rearing, upbringing, training, education, or the like.
5. development: the nurture of young artists.
6. something that nourishes; nourishment; food.

dictionary.com said:
homemaking
noun
the management of a household

There is a difference. An homemaking is something a father can do according to the actual definition of it.

Sister Beck said:
Homemaking includes cooking, washing clothes and dishes, and keeping an orderly home.

According to the quote it includes a lot more then that. This statement just feels sexist. Women should not be the other ones doing these things; their husbands should be helping them, just as the wives should be helping the husbands.


Sister Beck said:
Home is where women have the most power and influence; therefore, Latter-day Saint women should be the best homemakers in the world.

Great, so if we aren't, we are a failure? Way to go, make us feel like crap if we can't keep to your standard of living.


Sister Beck said:
Working beside children in homemaking tasks creates opportunities to teach and model qualities children should emulate.

Can be applied to the fathers as well as the mothers.


Sister Beck said:
. In equal partnership with their husbands, they lead a great and eternal organization.

Finally, mention of the fathers, the first time in the entire talk I've seen them mentioned.

Sister Beck said:
These mothers plan for the future of their organization. They plan for missions, temple marriages, and education. They plan for prayer, scripture study, and family home evening. Mothers who know build children into future leaders and are the primary examples of what leaders look like.

Fathers should be included in this as well -- this is basically saying mothers know better then fathers, when that is not always the case.


Sister Beck said:
Who will prepare this righteous generation of sons and daughters? Latter-day Saint women will do this—women who know and love the Lord and bear testimony of Him, women who are strong and immovable and who do not give up during difficult and discouraging times.

And Latter-day Saint men. It bothers me so much that she does not include the father's and men in her talk. They are just as important, and if a mother is mentioned, so should the father. They work together, not alone.

Sister Beck said:
Latter-day Saint women should be the very best in the world at upholding, nurturing, and protecting families. I have every confidence that our women will do this .

And if we aren't, have we really failed? That's what she is missing, she needs to be saying some of these things and the encouraging the women by saying that even if not all of these happen at once, or even happen at all, as long as you are trying your hardest, that's what really matters. Life doesn't go by a play book, or the "Betty Crocker" standard.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
My dad didn't think he was and I'm still kind of bitter about it. He'll openly admit that he let my mom raise us.

That bothers me when men are like that. They are JUST as important as the mothers when raising the children. Without one or the other, there would be problems.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
My wife says:
I just read the editorial about Sister Beck's address and have this to say:
I think we should all remember that the talk was given by the president of the all-women RELIEF SOCIETY, meaning that her talks SHOULD be directed towards women/mothers/wives. It's not to say that the husbands/fathers aren't important or needed, but that the talks should be specifically for members of the Relief Society.
Also, I think it's a little unfair that we've singled out Sister Beck's talk because she wasn't the only one speaking on behalf of the Relief Society or the LDS Church in general. Her words, although meant for everyone to hear, was more specifically for married women and mothers; and although some of the things she said didn't apply to all married women and mothers, her words were meant to remind us all of family and home life ideals.
My husband cooks. He loves cooking, I don't; but because we try to keep a balance within our marriage, I've been learning to cook. For the most part, I do other things around the house--dishes, laundry, vacuuming, etc.--and think of it as anything BUT demeaning. I take pride in keeping my home clean, cozy and orderly...not because I'm a Stepford but because it gives me the same feeling as when I keep myself clean and orderly. When we skip a shower, wear sweats everywhere and don't take care of ourselves, we tend to feel like slobs; but when we shower, brush our hair and wear something decent, the feeling changes. Same goes for the home. Although men should, of course, help around the house, Sister Beck's talk was directed towards the sisters because, like I said, she's the president of the RELIEF SOCIETY and all, and to remind us that it's as much our responsibility to provide a nurturing home as it is our husbands'.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
First rule of authorship - KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

If she wanted to give a pep talk to mothers she should have saved that talk for the appropriate time. She knew this was GENERAL CONFERENCE - meaning, there was a GENERAL audience.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
I hear ya! I can't even tell you how livid this talk made me. I can't even say I heard the whole thing because after her first three or four sentences, I was crying, swearing, yelling at her, throwing things, etc. I don't know anything about her really, but I'd be willing to bet she raised 8 kids. They all got straight A's in high school and went to BYU. They all went on missions, came home and got married in the temple. Now they're all Bishops or Stake Presidents or Relief Society Presidents, and she has twenty cute little grandkids who idolize her. Of course, all of this came about because she was such a perfect mother. She did everything right. How else could her kids have turned out but perfect. This kind of mentality makes me want to throw up.

I hear ya back, sister! I wouldn't be surprised at all if she's exactly as you've described. I really mean it when I say I think the Church needs more diversity (which is why I'm dissappointed with the new Apostle calling, but that's for another thread).
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
I can't remember people fighting over a conference talk like this since my teachings of the living prophets class when we discussed the "Mothers in Zion" talk by Ezra Taft Benson.

I'm not sure where you stand, Jonny - but, so far, it looks like the talk ****** off the women and kept the middle-class white male (madhatter) happy.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
all-women RELIEF SOCIETY, meaning that her talks SHOULD be directed towards women/mothers/wives. It's not to say

MH,

The Relief Society General Conference was the week before conference, she could have very well given it there. Perhaps it would have gone over better, because that conference is aimed at the women.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
When we skip a shower, wear sweats everywhere and don't take care of ourselves, we tend to feel like slobs; but when we shower, brush our hair and wear something decent, the feeling changes. Same goes for the home.

That's nice, but she was expecting us to be perfect. "Missionary haircuts" is the first giveaway. Of course we feel better when we take care of ourselves, but going Betty Crocker is not going to make most of us feel better. Why is she telling us to 'keep our houses clean', we know that, and we are doing the darnedest to do that. I do not think there are very many LDS women that purposefully keep their house dirty, purposefully are slobs and purposefully mother crappily. We aren't perfect, give us a break.

Most mothers do the best that they can, and guess what, their children don't turn out perfect. Life isn't going to be picture perfect just because you do everything you are 'supposed do'.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Just because you know things won't turn out perfect doesn't mean you can't try your best to steer things in that direction. God and the Savior expect perfection, or as close as you can come to it. that is what we always talk about striving towards is perfection right?
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Just because you know things won't turn out perfect doesn't mean you can't try your best to steer things in that direction. God and the Savior expect perfection, or as close as you can come to it. that is what we always talk about striving towards is perfection right?

That's the problem, most women are, you are assuming we aren't. I do not know a single woman that purposefully says, "I'm going to not take care of my children because I want them to have a dysfunctional family." Most LDS women do their dardnest to do right, and then we get flak for it because we aren't the Molly Mormon people think we should be.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
the big difference is that your typical "Molly Mormon" is the Lord's standard, everything else is sub-par. that is the message they are trying to convey, just do your best to live up to the Lord's standard, not the worlds, or your own. Yes it is hard, but there is always a way.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
the big difference is that your typical "Molly Mormon" is the Lord's standard, everything else is sub-par. that is the message they are trying to convey, just do your best to live up to the Lord's standard, not the worlds, or your own. Yes it is hard, but there is always a way.

"Molly Mormon" is NOT the Lord's standard - GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Show me where the standard is to be a white female with eight kids who get straight A's, go on missions, and go to BYU, and so on. The Church is MUCH bigger than Utah and it's time you realized that.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
MH,

The Relief Society General Conference was the week before conference, she could have very well given it there. Perhaps it would have gone over better, because that conference is aimed at the women.
My wife was telling me that her talk at the Relief Society General meeting has been a bit controversial too. I haven't looked at it though.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
My wife was telling me that her talk at the Relief Society General meeting has been a bit controversial too. I haven't looked at it though.

I just read it. My biggest critique would be about the last quarter of the talk that she addressed to the "Relief Society presidencies." While the information may have been valuable, she just shut the door on 90+% of her audience. Not very effective, IMO. She began the talk by quoting Pres. Hinkley from a Worldwide Leadership Training. Why doesn't she save her remarks for the leadership for such a training rather than alienating the rest of her audience???

My new slogan: Beck's a Reck.

Soy, did you wife provide any details about what she considered controversial? What is your and your wife's opinion about Beck's talk at Gen Con?
 

SoyLeche

meh...
I just read it. My biggest critique would be about the last quarter of the talk that she addressed to the "Relief Society presidencies." While the information may have been valuable, she just shut the door on 90+% of her audience. Not very effective, IMO. She began the talk by quoting Pres. Hinkley from a Worldwide Leadership Training. Why doesn't she save her remarks for the leadership for such a training rather than alienating the rest of her audience???

My new slogan: Beck's a Reck.

Soy, did you wife provide any details about what she considered controversial? What is your and your wife's opinion about Beck's talk at Gen Con?
She actually didn't hear the talk - she got there late. I think she's mostly going off of what she has read on some blogs. I don't know the details.
 

DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
Wow, I didn't even really hear her talk! I guess I should have been listening closer. I hope you guys can all find a way to get along!
 
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