Slavery in Bible

[Servant_of_the_One1]

You paint with a very broad brush.
I have heard what you just posted exactly ONCE. No Christian I know believes that fairy tail.
Now you are flat out attacking Christians by saying it is allowed for us to make blacks slaves.
Islam allows slavery to this very day:
Slavery in Islam

Let us agree that in the books of christians, jews and muslims slavery is not abolished.
However i stand by my previous posts. Muslims were and are still encouraged to free slaves. If freeing slaves was good deed, then how about abolishing slavery forever? Thats the best deed!
We believe there is no kufr/disbelief in abolishing slavery. And this is one of many factors why iam against isis.

 

[Deidre]

<yawn>

Whine … whine … whine …

Applying 20th/21st century values to cultures existing thousands of years in the past is simply infantile.
​

</yawn>

America permitted slavery, though.

 

[jeager106]

Let us agree that in the books of christians, jews and muslims slavery is not abolished.
However i stand by my previous posts. Muslims were and are still encouraged to free slaves. If freeing slaves was good deed, then how about abolishing slavery forever? Thats the best deed!
We believe there is no kufr/disbelief in abolishing slavery. And this is one of many factors why iam against isis.

ISIS take slaves, & sells them.
ISIS is islam.
You say you are against ISIS?
Really?
I do not know you are a muslim.
It's the internet, you can be anything you claim to be.
I won't be baited into making this thread a debate between Christanity and islam.
Islam, to this day accepts slavery and promotes murder.
The Christian world today condemns slavery, and murder.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

<yawn>

Whine … whine … whine …

Applying 20th/21st century values to cultures existing thousands of years in the past is simply infantile.
​

</yawn>

You may not have noted, but he is applying 7the century values to existing cultures today. He states slavery is the prerogative of the caliphate.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

You paint with a very broad brush.
I have heard what you just posted exactly ONCE. No Christian I know believes that fairy tail.
Now you are flat out attacking Christians by saying it is allowed for us to make blacks slaves.
Islam allows slavery to this very day:
Slavery in Islam

While the story of Noah and Ham has never crossed my ear, he is correct that the bible was certainly used to justify slavery; including christians.

 

[jeager106]

America permitted slavery, though.

America did a lot of bad things.
American also abolished slavery at the cost of over 600,000 lives.
American also passed laws against descrimination & forced integration. Too bad it was necessary to pass a law, but it was.
America has done more, spent TRILLIONS of dollars, to lift up the black community, still it spending trillions.
So why are you so anti-America?

 

[jeager106]

While the story of Noah and Ham has never crossed my ear, he is correct that the bible was certainly used to justify slavery; including christians.

Sure it was, now it is not.
It seems that America, and Christianity as a whole, matured passed slavery,
descrimination, and murdering people for perceived insults.
The beauty in Christianity is its ability to change for the betterment of mankind.
Or perhaps we want to go over the inquisition ad neaseum?
Maybe go back to the era of Rome and beat up some pagans for old times sake?

 

[Sleeppy]

<yawn>

Whine … whine … whine …

Applying 20th/21st century values to cultures existing thousands of years in the past is simply infantile.
​

</yawn>

Not really. -- Our current values don't excuse our previous values, unless we actually acknowledge fault where it is.

 

[Deidre]

ISIS isn't Islam.

America did a lot of bad things.
American also abolished slavery at the cost of over 600,000 lives.
American also passed laws against descrimination & forced integration. Too bad it was necessary to pass a law, but it was.
America has done more, spent TRILLIONS of dollars, to lift up the black community, still it spending trillions.
So why are you so anti-America?

I'm not anti-American, but I don't fabricate American history simply because I reside here.
The point I'm making is in stride with the original topic of the thread. The irony being that a country claiming to be founded on Christian principles would even allow slavery or such incredible civil rights discriminations as we have seen, and up until very recently, we saw discrimination and horrible oppression of the homosexual community. That too points to a Christian ideology.

Pointing out inconvenient truths doesn't make me un-American. I simply don't believe we need religion dictating any more laws, frankly.

 

[Sleeppy]

America has done more, spent TRILLIONS of dollars, to lift up the black community, still it spending trillions.

Exaggerated immensely. Not proportional to history or current events.

 

[Sleeppy]

Comparable to modern prisoners? More so, modern prisoners of war?

 

[Sees]

Comparable to modern prisoners? More so, modern prisoners of war?

Not really

 

[jeager106]

Exaggerated immensely. Not proportional to history or current events.

"The Senate Budget Committee is out with a new report today that shows there are 83 overlapping government welfare programs that together represent $1.03 trillion in fiscal 2011 spending by federal and state governments, based on data from the Congressional Research Service (CRS). The report says “total means-tested welfare spending is currently the single-largest category of spending in the federal budget.”
From a recent article in Time.
I could dig up more such but I doubt you'd care to read the information.
The lions share of the TRILLIONS spent go to minority groups.

 

[jeager106]

ISIS isn't Islam.


I'm not anti-American, but I don't fabricate American history simply because I reside here.
The point I'm making is in stride with the original topic of the thread. The irony being that a country claiming to be founded on Christian principles would even allow slavery or such incredible civil rights discriminations as we have seen, and up until very recently, we saw discrimination and horrible oppression of the homosexual community. That too points to a Christian ideology.

Pointing out inconvenient truths doesn't make me un-American. I simply don't believe we need religion dictating any more laws, frankly.

And where did our laws come from in the first place?
History is all about change.
It's your prevelige to be anti-Christian, or anti-Amrican.
From Wiki:
"In the late 800s, Alfred the Great assembled the Doom book (not to be confused with the more-famous Domesday Book from 200 years later), which collected the existing laws of Kent, Wessex, and Mercia, and attempted to blend in the Mosaic code, Christian principles, and Germanic customs dating as far as the fifth century.[47]"
From Faith of our Fathers:
"America was indeed founded by bible-believing Christians and based on Christian principles."

"and horrible oppression of the homosexual community"
Yes, absolutley true and in agreement with Chrisitian scripture. However that is changing before our eyes. Islam, however, still holds to 7th century ideals and harsly punishes
homosexuals by whipping or stoning to death.

Christians today denounce any form of slavery and the our laws on homosexuality are changing.
Islam still believes in slavery and kills homosexuals; living with 1400 year old religious dogma.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not really. -- Our current values don't excuse our previous values, unless we actually acknowledge fault where it is.

Nonsense.

 

[Deidre]

History is all about change

Thankfully, that's true.

"America

was indeed founded by bible-believing Christians and based on Christian principles."

Unfortunately, for some...that's true, too.

 

[jeager106]

Thankfully, that's true.

Unfortunately, for some...that's true, too.

A Government unwilling to change, to recognize the desires of it's citizens, is doomed
to become stagnant and rot from the inside.
Depending upon demographics and which survey you believe between 73 and 76 percent of Americans claim to be Christians. (Survey done in 2008)
Why do you say, "Unfortunately, for some, that's true, too."
Why is it "unfortunate" to be Christian?

 

[JayJayDee]

America permitted slavery, though.

Yes they did. The church taught them that the curse of the black skinned people justified their treatment of them as sub-human. They treated them despicably....raping their women, using their own children as a way to gain more slaves, and working their men to death. Where did God ever teach such behavior to Christians?

The Scriptures forbade the mistreatment of those who were in service to his people. Slaves were to be treated humanely, not abused. Any beating of a slave was the same as a beating that a rebellious child might receive. (Prov 23:13, 14)

In Israel, slavery was a way for a man to repay a debt.
A girl slave was given a roof over her head, food in her belly and protection from harm in return for her service to the household.
There was no Biblical justification for the mistreatment meted out to those who were kidnapped from their homeland in Africa and imprisoned in a foreign country with no way to gain their freedom.

Even when freedom was finally granted, those who were colored never felt at home in the country of their birth. It has taken a long time to root out the hatred in many people's hearts, and in some parts it still exists.

Who does not cringe at the men in white sheets and hoods, burning crosses and proclaiming their superiority over the blacks....many of whom could run rings around them in every way. Poor deluded morons! Where do they get the idea that the white race is superior? Certainly NOT from the Bible.

That kind of hatred from those who were supposed to be mirroring the Christ is appalling and very telling. (Acts 10:34, 36)

 

[jeager106]

No where in Christian Scripture is it permitted mistreat a slave.
The term slave used in the Bible between 6k and 2K years ago is nothing like
the term "slave" used in the past 4 or 5 hundred years.
Slave in America were mostly treated well, being quite an investment in money.
That does not excuse slavery however.
No where in the Christian Bible is permission given to harm someone for an insult.
About the KKK. That group is still very much alive, used the Bible to justify
arson & murder, and attacked Jews, & Cathloics the same as they attacked
black Americans.
There are religious groups in the world today that use their version of the bible to committ murder and permit slavery.

 

[Sleeppy]

Nonsense.

It's nonsense to blame evil on a time period-- and just leave it at that, as if it has nothing to do with who we are as human beings. That's retarded.