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Slavery in Bible

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
"The Senate Budget Committee is out with a new report today that shows there are 83 overlapping government welfare programs that together represent $1.03 trillion in fiscal 2011 spending by federal and state governments, based on data from the Congressional Research Service (CRS). The report says “total means-tested welfare spending is currently the single-largest category of spending in the federal budget.”
From a recent article in Time.
I could dig up more such but I doubt you'd care to read the information.
The lions share of the TRILLIONS spent go to minority groups.

1) 2011 doesn't speak for hundreds of years concerning Blacks, or other minorities.
2) You also need to consider what African slaves actually did, and sacrificed for America for 200+ years. Put a price on that, if you can. Then make it proportionate to current living standards.
3) Those on welfare are not all minorities; it doesn't make sense to bold a figure that isn't proportional to the people you're speaking about. Is the bolded "fact" concerning Blacks only? All minorities? Or everyone on welfare?
4) Acknowledge that these trillions of dollars aren't stuck with minorities. The bulk of minority labor is perpetual slavery. These people live paycheck to paycheck, if that. Anywhere from 9-12 hours a day, 5-7 days a week. Doctors recommend 7-10 hours of sleep.
5) The trillions of dollars you're focused on actually belong to the big corporations and their top beneficiaries-- and the bulk of these funds are stuck with them.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Sleepy: I understand what you reference.
African slaves were priceless to the people in the south of the U.S.
W/o slaves King Cotton would not have made for rich white plantation owners.
I'm well aware of American history.
No one can put a value on the economics of slavery.
I know of no one that would want to live in a world where slavery was
tolerated.
Why some nations, cultures, ethnic groups still condone slavery for any reason is beyond my ability to comprehend.
It's just plain evil that the same nations that permit slavery are the same nations that invaded and took tribal Africans into captivity hundreds of years ago.
These kinds of inhumane atrocities are being committed to this day.
It's estimatied that 35.8 MILLION people are in slavery today, men, women & children.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
It's nonsense to blame evil on a time period-- and just leave it at that, as if it has nothing to do with who we are as human beings. That's retarded.

This is an important point, especially for Christians. Evil was never promoted by Jesus Christ, in fact the Apostle Paul said we must never "return evil for evil" but to 'conquer evil with good'. So whatever period in history we have lived since then, we are commanded to be Christ-like in our dealings with our neighbors. To love even our enemies...but this is not what the churches have taught.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a nice thought, but meaningless unless it is granted equally to citizens of all skin color.

In South Africa we also saw the Dutch Reform Church promoting the same hatred for blacks as a race "cursed by God".....and in their own country what's more!
We are not born hating...it has to be instilled in us by either our parents or the society in which we live.
God does not promote superiority of one race over another. (Acts 10:34, 35) There is no excuse for inhumanity to be expressed towards a fellow human to whom God has given as much right to live anyone else.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
It's nonsense to blame evil on a time period-- and just leave it at that, as if it has nothing to do with who we are as human beings. That's retarded.
The behaviour of human beings is highly contingent on their circumstances. If you don't have that context than your moral judgement becomes meaningless as it's simply not applicable. No one justifies past evils as applicable today based on past circumstances far removed from modern considerations. Likewise, you can't condemn the past based on modern considerations far removed from anything remotely relevant from the circumstances of that past.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Slavery in the Bible


Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.


Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.


The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?


The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!


What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.


When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

If Christians & Jews ruled by the law of God's book(bible) there would be slavery, punishment for apostasy and the war against heathens.

First of all, your translation is terrible. I would get a different one quickly. However, leaving aside the more egregious errors, and responding merely to the overall gist of the argument:

Yes, I can see how it would be shocking that in a set of works from thousands of years ago, the society described might not live up to modern ethics.

It's ancient. That was how things worked back then. Everywhere. But time progressed, human society moved on, people's thought evolved.

Obviously, I can't speak to Christianity. But as far as Judaism is concerned, we haven't permitted slavery in centuries. We don't go by the Written Torah in the absence of the Oral Torah. And the teachings and methods in the Oral Torah allow us to interpret, make new decisions based on other texts in Torah, even innovate laws to a limited degree: all of which is much easier to do in service of a stricture, to make moral behavior stronger-- like prohibiting slavery. Torah is living, and evolves with us, as our understanding of God, and what kind of behavior He would like to see from us improves.

Our ancestors had slaves. If the Torah had prohibited slavery outright, in a world where slavery was universal, our ancestors probably would have ignored the Torah as impossible for them to imagine following. Instead, it limits slavery and tries to improve conditions-- which you would have a very slightly better sense of with a better translation, but mostly, you need the Oral Torah along with the Written Torah. It makes small improvements to something bad, in the understanding that those small changes will build into greater and greater changes over time, and eventually the undesirable behavior will be eliminated.

Again, you really need the Oral Torah along with the Written. To only quote the Written Torah in the absence of the Oral Torah is like quoting chapter headings without quoting from the actual chapter.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
With respect to major religions today it's clear some have matured with the times, others have not.
Societies also evolve over time, we hope for the betterment of mankind as a species.
One would hope the same holds true of governments.
We are watching American society grow tolerant, perhaps even accepting of those of different sexual preferences.
In my short lifetime I've evolved past the bigotry and hatred taught by my parents, relatives, and social norms of the times.
America has a terrible past. Slavery, contempt for race, religion, cultures, the exploitation of Native Americans, even exterminating Native American tribes, never too be seen again.
Such evil would not stand in this country today.
Just as America has matured a long way, it still has a long way to go.
Still I would not want to live in some other countries, tho they may be modern, slavery still exists, those of one religious sect murder others of a different sect, women are still treated as something "less than", and murders are committed in the name of some "god".
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
Not, in which ways?

Slavery and prisoners or prisoners of war are similar only in that they are captive - having spent a good bit of time with prisoners of war and some with stateside prisoners, they are fairly pampered in comparison to old accounts of slavery. The work-horse aspect is completely absent for one.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Why is it "unfortunate" to be Christian?

It's unfortunate that America was founded on Christian principles for some ...because religion shouldn't be governing a country, and devising its laws. In the case of America...for Christians, it wouldn't be unfortunate, but if you're not a Christian...it's unfortunate.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
It's unfortunate that America was founded on Christian principles for some ...because religion shouldn't be governing a country, and devising its laws. In the case of America...for Christians, it wouldn't be unfortunate, but if you're not a Christian...it's unfortunate.

Ya know I kinda gotta agree with that.
If religion were not governing certain countries today we'd not have so many dead people.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Ya know I kinda gotta agree with that.
If religion were not governing certain countries today we'd not have so many dead people.

Because America's government is democratic, that has helped to take things in a different direction. Despite the fact that still the majority of American Presidents in history associated themselves with some form of Christianity, the U.S. is governing in a more secular way. I believe wholeheartedly with allowing everyone to practice whatever belief system they wish, whether that is religious or otherwise, I'm just very against favoring one religion to govern a state/province/country.

Just once, I'd like to see an atheist be elected as President of the U.S. That would be historical, for sure. :)
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Because America's government is democratic, that has helped to take things in a different direction. Despite the fact that still the majority of American Presidents in history associated themselves with some form of Christianity, the U.S. is governing in a more secular way. I believe wholeheartedly with allowing everyone to practice whatever belief system they wish, whether that is religious or otherwise, I'm just very against favoring one religion to govern a state/province/country.

Just once, I'd like to see an atheist be elected as President of the U.S. That would be historical, for sure. :)

Yeah, o.k. but with 73 to 76 % of America's population claiming to be Christian it's highly probable most politicians would be Christian also.
F.W.I.W.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Yeah, o.k. but with 73 to 76 % of America's population claiming to be Christian it's highly probable most politicians would be Christian also.
F.W.I.W.

haha Yes, I know. But, I can dream. :p
In all seriousness, it just would be interesting to see how one might govern if religion never even entered the equation, in his/her worldview.
 

Khatru

Member
Yeah...but at the same time...it was Christian groups that were the main abolitionists and hundreds of thousands of Christians that gave their lives and paid the ultimate sacrifice to end it.

At the same time there were hundreds of thousands of Christians who died trying to maintain the right to keep slaves.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Slavery and prisoners or prisoners of war are similar only in that they are captive - having spent a good bit of time with prisoners of war and some with stateside prisoners, they are fairly pampered in comparison to old accounts of slavery. The work-horse aspect is completely absent for one.

They're thrown into heterosexual hell; a violent place, and we foot the bill. We're the work horse.

You've spent time with prisoners of war? What were their experiences?
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
They're thrown into heterosexual hell; a violent place, and we foot the bill. We're the work horse.

You've spent time with prisoners of war? What were their experiences?

The ones I transferred, detained, etc. were angry, bored, regretful, and more...but not worked or treated like farm animals. Basically unwilling houseguests who are not allowed luxuries or actual freedom to leave. Definitely had more hot, fresh meals than we did.

Of course there are always exceptions.
 

Kolibri

Well-Known Member
The original-language words rendered “slave” or “servant” are not limited in their application to persons owned by others. The Hebrew word ʽe′vedh can refer to persons owned by fellowmen. (Ge 12:16; Ex 20:17) Or the term can designate subjects of a king (2Sa 11:21; 2Ch 10:7), subjugated peoples who paid tribute (2Sa 8:2, 6), and persons in royal service, including cupbearers, bakers, seamen, military officers, advisers, and the like, whether owned by fellowmen or not (Ge 40:20; 1Sa 29:3; 1Ki 9:27; 2Ch 8:18; 9:10; 32:9). In respectful address, a Hebrew, instead of using the first person pronoun, would at times speak of himself as a servant (ʽe′vedh) of the one to whom he was talking. (Ge 33:5, 14; 42:10, 11, 13; 1Sa 20:7, 8) ʽE′vedh was used in referring to servants, or worshipers, of Jehovah generally (1Ki 8:36; 2Ki 10:23) and, more specifically, to special representatives of God, such as Moses. (Jos 1:1, 2; 24:29; 2Ki 21:10) Though not a worshiper of Jehovah, one who performed a service that was in harmony with the divine will could be spoken of as God’s servant, an example being King Nebuchadnezzar.—Jer 27:6.

The Greek term dou′los corresponds to the Hebrew word ʽe′vedh. It is used with reference to persons owned by fellowmen (Mt 8:9; 10:24, 25; 13:27); devoted servants of God and of his Son Jesus Christ, whether human (Ac 2:18; 4:29; Ro 1:1; Ga 1:10) or angelic (Re 19:10, where the word syn′dou·los [fellow slave] appears); and, in a figurative sense, to persons in slavery to sin (Joh 8:34; Ro 6:16-20) or corruption (2Pe 2:19).

The Hebrew word na′ʽar, like the Greek term pais, basically means a boy or a youth and can also designate a servant or an attendant. (1Sa 1:24; 4:21; 30:17; 2Ki 5:20; Mt 2:16; 8:6; 17:18; 21:15; Ac 20:12) The Greek term oi·ke′tes denotes a house servant or slave (Lu 16:13), and a female slave or servant is designated by the Greek word pai·di′ske. (Lu 12:45) The participial form of the Hebrew root sha·rath′ may be rendered by such terms as “minister” (Ex 33:11) or “waiter.” (2Sa 13:18) The Greek word hy·pe·re′tes may be translated “attendant,” “court attendant,” or “house attendant.” (Mt 26:58; Mr 14:54, 65; Joh 18:36) The Greek term the·ra′pon occurs solely at Hebrews 3:5 and means subordinate or attendant.

Before the Common Era. War, poverty, and crime were the basic factors that reduced persons to a state of servitude. Captives of war were often constituted slaves by their captors or were sold into slavery by them. (Compare 2Ki 5:2; Joe 3:6.) In Israelite society a person who became poor could sell himself or his children into slavery to care for his indebtedness. (Ex 21:7; Le 25:39, 47; 2Ki 4:1) One guilty of thievery but unable to make compensation was sold for the things he stole, evidently regaining his freedom at the time all claims against him were cared for.—Ex 22:3.

At times slaves held a position of great trust and honor in a household. The patriarch Abraham’s aged servant (likely Eliezer) managed all of his master’s possessions. (Ge 24:2; 15:2, 3) Abraham’s descendant Joseph, as a slave in Egypt, came to be in charge of everything belonging to Potiphar, a court official of Pharaoh. (Ge 39:1, 5, 6) In Israel, there was a possibility of a slave’s becoming wealthy and redeeming himself.—Le 25:49.

Regarding conscription of workers, see COMPULSORY SERVICE; FORCED LABOR.

Laws governing slave-master relationships. Among the Israelites the status of the Hebrew slave differed from that of a slave who was a foreigner, alien resident, or settler. Whereas the non-Hebrew remained the property of the owner and could be passed on from father to son (Le 25:44-46), the Hebrew slave was to be released in the seventh year of his servitude or in the Jubilee year, depending upon which came first. During the time of his servitude the Hebrew slave was to be treated as a hired laborer. (Ex 21:2; Le 25:10; De 15:12) A Hebrew who sold himself into slavery to an alien resident, to a member of an alien resident’s family, or to a settler could be repurchased at any time, either by himself or by one having the right of repurchase. The redemption price was based on the number of years remaining until the Jubilee year or until the seventh year of servitude. (Le 25:47-52; De 15:12) When granting a Hebrew slave his freedom, the master was to give him a gift to assist him in getting a good start as a freedman. (De 15:13-15) If a slave had come in with a wife, the wife went out with him. However, if the master had given him a wife (evidently a foreign woman who would not be entitled to freedom in the seventh year of servitude), she and any children by her remained the property of the master. In such a case the Hebrew slave could choose to remain with his master. His ear would then be pierced with an awl to indicate that he would continue in servitude to time indefinite.—Ex 21:2-6; De 15:16, 17.

Female Hebrew slaves. Certain special regulations applied to a female Hebrew slave. She could be taken as a concubine by the master or designated as a wife for his son. When designated as a wife for the master’s son, the Hebrewess was to be treated with the due right of daughters. Even if the son took another wife, there was to be no diminishing of her sustenance, clothing, and marriage due. A failure on the son’s part in this respect entitled the woman to her freedom without the payment of a redemption price. If the master sought to have a Hebrewess redeemed, he was not permitted to accomplish this by selling her to foreigners.—Ex 21:7-11.

Protections and privileges. The Law protected slaves from brutalities. A slave was to be set at liberty if mistreatment by the master resulted in the loss of a tooth or an eye. As the usual value for a slave was 30 shekels (compare Ex 21:32), his liberation would have meant considerable loss to the master and, therefore, would have served as a strong deterrent against abuse. Although a master could beat his slave, the slave, depending upon the decision of the judges, was to be avenged if he died under his master’s beating. However, if the slave lingered on for a day or two before dying—this indicating that the master had not intended to kill the slave but to discipline him—he was not to be avenged. (Ex 21:20, 21, 26, 27; Le 24:17) Also, it would appear that for the master to have been considered free of guilt the beating could not have been administered with a lethal instrument, as that would have signified intent to kill. (Compare Nu 35:16-18.) Therefore, if a slave lingered on for a day or two, there would be reasonable question as to whether the death resulted from the chastisement. A beating with a rod, for example, would not normally be fatal, as is shown by the statement at Proverbs 23:13: “Do not hold back discipline from the mere boy. In case you beat him with the rod, he will not die.”

Certain privileges were granted to slaves by the terms of the Law. As all male slaves were circumcised (Ex 12:44; compare Ge 17:12), they could eat the Passover, and slaves of the priest could eat holy things. (Ex 12:43, 44; Le 22:10, 11) Slaves were exempted from working on the Sabbath. (Ex 20:10; De 5:14) During the Sabbath year they were entitled to eat of the growth from spilled kernels and from the unpruned vine. (Le 25:5, 6) They were to share in the rejoicing associated with the sacrificing at the sanctuary and the celebration of the festivals.—De 12:12; 16:11, 14.

First-Century Christian Position. In the Roman Empire slaves were very numerous, with individuals owning hundreds and even thousands of slaves. The institution of slavery had the protection of the imperial government. First-century Christians did not take a stand against governmental authority in this matter and advocate a slaves’ revolt. They respected the legal right of others, including fellow Christians, to own slaves. That is why the apostle Paul sent back the runaway slave Onesimus. Because he had become a Christian, Onesimus willingly returned to his master, subjecting himself as a slave to a fellow Christian. (Phm 10-17) The apostle Paul also admonished Christian slaves not to take improper advantage of their relationship with believing masters. He said: “Let those having believing owners not look down on them, because they are brothers. On the contrary, let them the more readily be slaves, because those receiving the benefit of their good service are believers and beloved.” (1Ti 6:2) For a slave to have a Christian master was a blessing, as his owner was under obligation to deal righteously and fairly with him.—Eph 6:9; Col 4:1.

The acceptance of Christianity by those in servitude placed upon them the responsibility of being better slaves, “not talking back, not committing theft, but exhibiting good fidelity.” (Tit 2:9, 10) Even if their masters treated them unjustly, they were not to render inferior service. By suffering for righteousness’ sake, they imitated the example of Jesus Christ. (1Pe 2:18-25) “You slaves,” wrote the apostle Paul, “be obedient in everything to those who are your masters in a fleshly sense, not with acts of eye-service, as men pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, with fear of Jehovah. Whatever you are doing, work at it whole-souled as to Jehovah, and not to men.” (Col 3:22, 23; Eph 6:5-8) Such fine conduct toward their masters prevented bringing reproach upon the name of God, as no one could blame Christianity for producing lazy, good-for-nothing slaves.—1Ti 6:1.

Of course, a slave’s ‘obedience in everything’ could not include disobeying God’s law, as that would have meant fearing men rather than God. Wrongdoing by slaves, even when committed at the direction of a superior, would not have ‘adorned the teaching of their Savior, God,’ but would have misrepresented and disgraced this teaching. (Tit 2:10) Thus, their Christian conscience would govern.

In the Christian congregation all persons, regardless of their social status, enjoyed the same standing. All were anointed by the same spirit and thus shared in the same hope as members of one body. (1Co 12:12, 13; Ga 3:28; Col 3:11) While more limited in what he could do in spreading the good news, the Christian slave was not to worry about this. If granted the opportunity to gain freedom, however, he would take advantage of it and thereby enlarge his sphere of Christian activity.—1Co 7:21-23.

Enslavement to Sin. At the time the first man Adam disobeyed God’s law, he surrendered perfect control of himself and yielded to the selfish desire to continue sharing association with his sinful wife and pleasing her. Adam’s surrendering himself to his sinful desire made this desire and its end product, sin, his master. (Compare Ro 6:16; Jas 1:14, 15; see SIN, I.) He thus sold himself under sin. As all of his offspring were yet in his loins, Adam also sold them under sin. That is why the apostle Paul wrote: “I am fleshly, sold under sin.” (Ro 7:14) For this reason there was no way for any of Adam’s descendants to make themselves righteous, not even by trying to keep the Mosaic Law. As the apostle Paul put it: “The commandment which was to life, this I found to be to death.” (Ro 7:10) The inability of humans to keep the Law perfectly showed that they were slaves to sin and deserving of death, not life.—See DEATH.

Only by availing themselves of the deliverance made possible through Jesus Christ could individuals be emancipated or gain freedom from this enslavement. (Compare Joh 8:31-34; Ro 7:21-25; Ga 4:1-7; Heb 2:14-16; see RANSOM.) Having been bought with the precious blood of Jesus, Christians are slaves, or servants, of Jehovah God and of his Son, obligated to keep their commands.—1Co 7:22, 23; 1Pe 1:18, 19; Re 19:1, 2, 5; see FREEDMAN, FREEMAN; FREEDOM.
- Slave — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
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