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Slavery

nPeace

Veteran Member
What we know about slavery among the Israelites... from the Bible.

Slavery became a practice among the Israelites, after they left Egypt.
It is likely it may have been practiced in Egypt, by an Israelite who was appointed by an Egyptian, over other slaves.
(Exodus 12:43, 44) 43 Then Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: No foreigner may eat of it. 44 But if someone has a slave man who was purchased with money, you should circumcise him. Only then may he share in eating it.

Hence, rather than end the practice, as was the case with polygamy, Jehovah allowed it, and put laws in place that allowed for just treatment.
As with many things, both in the past, and today, Jehovah allows them, for a time.
(Exodus 21:1-11) . . .“These are the judicial decisions that you are to convey to them: 2 “If you buy a Hebrew slave, he will serve as a slave for six years, but in the seventh year, he will be set free without paying anything. 3 If he came by himself, he will go out by himself. If he is the husband of a wife, then his wife must go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s, and he will go out by himself. 5 But if the slave should insist and say, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my sons; I do not want to be set free,’ 6 his master must bring him before the true God. Then he will bring him up against the door or the doorpost, and his master will pierce his ear through with an awl, and he will be his slave for life. 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not go free the same way that a slave man does. 8 If her master is not pleased with her and he does not designate her as a concubine but causes her to be purchased by someone else, he will not be entitled to sell her to foreigners, for he has betrayed her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he is to grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife for himself, the sustenance, the clothing, and the marriage due of the first wife are not to be diminished. 11 If he will not render these three things to her, then she is to go free without paying any money.

This shows that in among the Israelites, slavery was not six years of harsh treatment.
(Exodus 23:12) . . .“Six days you are to do your work; but on the seventh day, you are to cease from your labor, in order that your bull and your donkey may rest and the son of your slave girl and the foreign resident may refresh themselves.
(Leviticus 22:10, 11) 10 “‘No unauthorized person may eat anything holy. No foreign guest of a priest or hired worker may eat anything holy. 11 But if a priest should purchase someone with his own money, that person may share in eating it. Slaves born in his house may also share in eating his food.
(Leviticus 25:6, 7) 6 However, you may eat the food that grows in the land during its sabbath; you, your male and female slaves, your hired worker, and the foreign settlers who are residing with you may eat it, 7 as well as the domestic and the wild animals in your land. Everything the land produces may be eaten.
(Deuteronomy 5:14) but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your bull nor your donkey nor any of your domestic animals nor your foreign resident who is inside your cities, in order that your slave man and your slave girl may rest the same as you.
(Deuteronomy 15:12-18) 12 “If one of your brothers, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you and has served you for six years, then in the seventh year you should set him free. 13 And if you should set him free, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 You should supply him generously with something from your flock, your threshing floor, and your press for oil and wine. Just as Jehovah your God has blessed you, you should give to him. 15 Remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and that Jehovah your God redeemed you. That is why I am commanding you to do this today. 16 “But if he says to you, ‘I will not go out from your company!’ because he loves you and your household, since he has been happy while with you, 17 you should then take an awl and put it through his ear into the door, and he will become your slave for life. You should do the same with your slave girl. 18 Do not consider it a hardship when you set him free and he leaves you, because his service to you for six years was worth twice as much as that of a hired worker, and Jehovah your God has blessed you in everything that was done.
(Deuteronomy 16:11-15) 11 And you are to rejoice before Jehovah your God, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite who is inside your cities, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are in your midst, in the place that Jehovah your God chooses to have his name reside. 12 Remember that you became a slave in Egypt, and observe and carry out these regulations. 13 “You should celebrate the Festival of Booths for seven days when you make an ingathering from your threshing floor and from your press for oil and wine. 14 Rejoice during your festival, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are inside your cities. 15 Seven days you will celebrate the festival to Jehovah your God in the place that Jehovah chooses, for Jehovah your God will bless all your produce and all that you do, and you will become nothing but joyful.

If a slave master is harsh, he suffers the consequences.
Deuteronomy 23
15 “You should not hand over a slave to his master when he escapes from his master and comes to you. 16 He may dwell among you in whatever place he chooses in one of your cities, wherever he likes. You must not mistreat him.

Eventually, God taught the Israelites the proper view.
(Leviticus 25:39-46) 39 “‘If your brother who lives nearby becomes poor and he has to sell himself to you, you must not force him to do slave labor. 40 He should be treated like a hired worker, like a settler. He should serve with you until the Jubilee year. 41 Then he will leave you, he and his children with him, and return to his family. He should return to the property of his forefathers. 42 For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. They should not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. 43 You must not treat him cruelly, and you must be in fear of your God. 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you, from them you may buy a male or a female slave. 45 Also from the sons of the foreign settlers who are residing with you, from them and from their families that are born to them in your land you may buy slaves, and they will become your possession. 46 You may pass them on as an inheritance to your sons after you to inherit as a permanent possession. You may use them as workers, but you must not subject your Israelite brothers to cruel treatment.
(Leviticus 25:47-55)
(1 Kings 9:20-23) 20 As for all the people who were left from the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, who were not part of the people of Israel, 21 their descendants who were left in the land—those whom the Israelites had been unable to devote to destruction—were conscripted by Solʹo·mon for forced labor as slaves until this day. 22 But Solʹo·mon did not make any of the Israelites slaves, for they were his warriors, servants, princes, adjutants, and the chiefs of his charioteers and horsemen. 23 There were 550 chiefs of the deputies who were over the work of Solʹo·mon, the foremen over the people who were doing the work.
(Jeremiah 34:8-17) 8 The word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah after King Zed·e·kiʹah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to proclaim liberty to them, 9 that everyone should free his Hebrew slaves, male and female, so that no one would keep a fellow Jew as his slave. 10 So all the princes and all the people obeyed. They had entered into the covenant that everyone should free his male and female slaves and not keep them as slaves any longer. They obeyed and let them go. 11 However, they later brought back the male and female slaves whom they had freed, and they again forced them back into slavery. 12 So the word of Jehovah came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 13 “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel says, ‘I made a covenant with your forefathers in the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, saying: 14 “At the end of seven years, each of you should free his Hebrew brother who was sold to you and who has served you six years; you must set him free.” But your forefathers did not listen or incline their ears to me. 15 And recently you yourselves turned around and did what was right in my eyes by proclaiming liberty to your fellow men, and you made a covenant before me in the house that bears my name. 16 But then you turned around and profaned my name by bringing back your male and female slaves whom you had freed according to their desire, and you forced them back into slavery.’ 17 “Therefore this is what Jehovah says: ‘You have not obeyed me in proclaiming liberty, each one to his brother and to his fellow man. So I will now proclaim liberty to you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to the sword, to pestilence, and to famine, and I will make you an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.

This shows that God is as described in the Bible, (Exodus 34:6, 7) He is very patient, and reasonable.
Rather than become like a harsh taskmaster, gradually, Jehovah adjusted the thinking of his people.
God did not institute slavery. rather, he allowed it.
Slavery of that kind, will eventually end permanently.
A willingness to serve others, however, will continue, as it is a proper form of slavery.

(Proverbs 22:7) . . .And the borrower is a slave to the lender.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
What we know about slavery among the Israelites... from the Bible.. . . . .

God did not institute slavery. rather, he allowed it.
Slavery of that kind, will eventually end permanently.
A willingness to serve others, however, will continue, as it is a proper form of slavery.

(Proverbs 22:7) . . .And the borrower is a slave to the lender.

Great explanation of a somewhat touchy subject nPeace.
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It was more like employment and both were under the rules of God's law...one to the slave to best serve their master, and the other to the master to abide by the law requiring him to treat his "brother" well. Each had rules to abide by, and each was accountable to the same God.

Everybody was happy.
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nPeace

Veteran Member
Great explanation of a somewhat touchy subject nPeace.
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It was more like employment and both were under the rules of God's law...one to the slave to best serve their master, and the other to the master to abide by the law requiring him to treat his "brother" well. Each had rules to abide by, and each was accountable to the same God.

Everybody was happy.
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Thanks to our Bible study. ;)
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Rape and slavery; "Eh, I'll allow it."

Eating shrimp or wearing mixed fabrics; "Kill them!"

Into the dumpster with this depiction of god.

Oh dear....you don't think that culture had anything to do with what happened in every day Israelite life?

Plonked into todays world it seems ridiculous....but in that time period, its the way things were....no one expected anything different. Go back to the way things were even at the turn of last century and plonk them into today's world....they'd be horrified....it would be like living on a different planet.

The shrimp were subject to a very virulent form of bacteria that could kill you. It was a hygiene issue, which is why food was divided into "clean" and "unclean" categories.
They knew about quarantine too......I'm sure that if you saw what shrimp feed on, you'd never eat them.
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The reason for not mixing the threads is unknown, but perhaps it had something to do with the wearability of the fabric, making the garment lose shape or wear out too quickly. There was a rule about putting new wine in old wineskins too....no one wanted the skins to burst and lose their contents.

I'm sure the women forced to marry their rapists were dancing with delight.

Women knew their place and survived in spite of their somewhat inferior status in those times....In Israelite society, their women were valued according to Proverbs 31:10-31.....they were not just chattels in the kitchen, put on earth to serve their husbands and bear them children....but to complement them as part of a team, fulfilling many roles and directing a large family, teaching them to become self-sufficient adults.

Also, I think you will find that it was a seduction, not a rape. If the woman failed to fight off her attacker or to scream, she was assumed to be a willing party. The moral of the story is if you don't want to marry this woman keep your hand off her.

That still applies in my religion....no sex before marriage. It makes for longer lasting relationships.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
God allows injustices to this day. He does not cause or condone it, though.

In the cases where a woman did not scream, when someone 'raped' her, whereas not by force - all rape is not forced - it was just that the two Israelites be married.

Why?
One cannot prove a girl did not give in to a man's advances, just by listening to her account.
If the woman did demonstrate that she did not consent. it would be known, unless 1) she is dumb (speechless), or 2) in an isolated area where she screamed but was not heard. In that case, God dealt with the matter, and the rapist was put to death.

I assume one who reads the Bible - not closed minded and critically - would know those scriptures.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
So if the Bible is not about the will of god but rather the ways of a primitive and savage culture, why not chuck it in the trash? And if god was okay with horrible things just because they were social norms then, why wouldn't he be okay with beign things such as homosexuality that are social norms now?To suggest that god is beholden to a book written by man seems like blasphemous idolatry to me.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Not about, but rather?
I don't get that.
The Bible does contain the will of God, and does show how God does not take away man's freedom of choice, but allows man the dignity of exercising it.
God works with what he has. Man is what he is. God didn't want robotic toys to play with.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I saw a nice drama on Sunday, which showed how God worked with men, allowing those men the opportunity to grow in faith.
If God did everything himself, what would be left for man to do? He would not need to do a single thing, but sit down and eat.
That makes no sense.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Not about, but rather?
I don't get that.
A truly just and rightous god wouldn't abide such atrocities, but apparently the god of the Bible is too weak and pitiful to oppose the ways of primative savages. Did he fear their stone arrows and wooden clubs?
The Bible does contain the will of God, and does show how God does not take away man's freedom of choice, but allows man the dignity of exercising it.
God works with what he has. Man is what he is. God didn't want robotic toys to play with.
So god abides our laws, not the other way around. Got it.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I saw a nice drama on Sunday, which showed how God worked with men, allowing those men the opportunity to grow in faith.
If God did everything himself, what would be left for man to do? He would not need to do a single thing, but sit down and eat.
That makes no sense.
You're trying to tiptoe away from the point. None of that has anything to with what I'm talking about.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Some people consider patience weakness, but it has been demonstrated time and again that it is better to be patient than to be haughty in spirit. Ecclesiastes 7:9

The haughty is usually short-sighted, not seeing all factors involved. Not so God.
His reasons for tolerance and patience is not overlooked by those understanding the matter.

God abides by our laws? I don't know where you read that.
Perhaps you don't understand how a superior can work with lesser ones.

Clearly. You don't understand.
Tiptoeing away???
Why would you make a statement like that. Perhaps that's pride speaking. That would explain why you don't understand how the last bit applies here.
In a case like that, we can go nowhere, but you ridiculing, while not grasping anything.
So you can talk to my sister, because paint splattering on the wall may be exciting to some, but one can quickly lose interest.

Good night.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Great explanation of a somewhat touchy subject nPeace.
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It was more like employment and both were under the rules of God's law...one to the slave to best serve their master, and the other to the master to abide by the law requiring him to treat his "brother" well. Each had rules to abide by, and each was accountable to the same God.

Everybody was happy.
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So would you agree to be my slave as condoned by biblical law?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
What we know about slavery among the Israelites... from the Bible.

Slavery became a practice among the Israelites, after they left Egypt.
It is likely it may have been practiced in Egypt, by an Israelite who was appointed by an Egyptian, over other slaves.
(Exodus 12:43, 44) 43 Then Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: No foreigner may eat of it. 44 But if someone has a slave man who was purchased with money, you should circumcise him. Only then may he share in eating it.

Hence, rather than end the practice, as was the case with polygamy, Jehovah allowed it, and put laws in place that allowed for just treatment.
As with many things, both in the past, and today, Jehovah allows them, for a time.
(Exodus 21:1-11) . . .“These are the judicial decisions that you are to convey to them: 2 “If you buy a Hebrew slave, he will serve as a slave for six years, but in the seventh year, he will be set free without paying anything. 3 If he came by himself, he will go out by himself. If he is the husband of a wife, then his wife must go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s, and he will go out by himself. 5 But if the slave should insist and say, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my sons; I do not want to be set free,’ 6 his master must bring him before the true God. Then he will bring him up against the door or the doorpost, and his master will pierce his ear through with an awl, and he will be his slave for life. 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not go free the same way that a slave man does. 8 If her master is not pleased with her and he does not designate her as a concubine but causes her to be purchased by someone else, he will not be entitled to sell her to foreigners, for he has betrayed her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he is to grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife for himself, the sustenance, the clothing, and the marriage due of the first wife are not to be diminished. 11 If he will not render these three things to her, then she is to go free without paying any money.

This shows that in among the Israelites, slavery was not six years of harsh treatment.
(Exodus 23:12) . . .“Six days you are to do your work; but on the seventh day, you are to cease from your labor, in order that your bull and your donkey may rest and the son of your slave girl and the foreign resident may refresh themselves.
(Leviticus 22:10, 11) 10 “‘No unauthorized person may eat anything holy. No foreign guest of a priest or hired worker may eat anything holy. 11 But if a priest should purchase someone with his own money, that person may share in eating it. Slaves born in his house may also share in eating his food.
(Leviticus 25:6, 7) 6 However, you may eat the food that grows in the land during its sabbath; you, your male and female slaves, your hired worker, and the foreign settlers who are residing with you may eat it, 7 as well as the domestic and the wild animals in your land. Everything the land produces may be eaten.
(Deuteronomy 5:14) but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your bull nor your donkey nor any of your domestic animals nor your foreign resident who is inside your cities, in order that your slave man and your slave girl may rest the same as you.
(Deuteronomy 15:12-18) 12 “If one of your brothers, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you and has served you for six years, then in the seventh year you should set him free. 13 And if you should set him free, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 You should supply him generously with something from your flock, your threshing floor, and your press for oil and wine. Just as Jehovah your God has blessed you, you should give to him. 15 Remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and that Jehovah your God redeemed you. That is why I am commanding you to do this today. 16 “But if he says to you, ‘I will not go out from your company!’ because he loves you and your household, since he has been happy while with you, 17 you should then take an awl and put it through his ear into the door, and he will become your slave for life. You should do the same with your slave girl. 18 Do not consider it a hardship when you set him free and he leaves you, because his service to you for six years was worth twice as much as that of a hired worker, and Jehovah your God has blessed you in everything that was done.
(Deuteronomy 16:11-15) 11 And you are to rejoice before Jehovah your God, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite who is inside your cities, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are in your midst, in the place that Jehovah your God chooses to have his name reside. 12 Remember that you became a slave in Egypt, and observe and carry out these regulations. 13 “You should celebrate the Festival of Booths for seven days when you make an ingathering from your threshing floor and from your press for oil and wine. 14 Rejoice during your festival, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are inside your cities. 15 Seven days you will celebrate the festival to Jehovah your God in the place that Jehovah chooses, for Jehovah your God will bless all your produce and all that you do, and you will become nothing but joyful.

If a slave master is harsh, he suffers the consequences.
Deuteronomy 23
15 “You should not hand over a slave to his master when he escapes from his master and comes to you. 16 He may dwell among you in whatever place he chooses in one of your cities, wherever he likes. You must not mistreat him.

Eventually, God taught the Israelites the proper view.
(Leviticus 25:39-46) 39 “‘If your brother who lives nearby becomes poor and he has to sell himself to you, you must not force him to do slave labor. 40 He should be treated like a hired worker, like a settler. He should serve with you until the Jubilee year. 41 Then he will leave you, he and his children with him, and return to his family. He should return to the property of his forefathers. 42 For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. They should not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. 43 You must not treat him cruelly, and you must be in fear of your God. 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you, from them you may buy a male or a female slave. 45 Also from the sons of the foreign settlers who are residing with you, from them and from their families that are born to them in your land you may buy slaves, and they will become your possession. 46 You may pass them on as an inheritance to your sons after you to inherit as a permanent possession. You may use them as workers, but you must not subject your Israelite brothers to cruel treatment.
(Leviticus 25:47-55)
(1 Kings 9:20-23) 20 As for all the people who were left from the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, who were not part of the people of Israel, 21 their descendants who were left in the land—those whom the Israelites had been unable to devote to destruction—were conscripted by Solʹo·mon for forced labor as slaves until this day. 22 But Solʹo·mon did not make any of the Israelites slaves, for they were his warriors, servants, princes, adjutants, and the chiefs of his charioteers and horsemen. 23 There were 550 chiefs of the deputies who were over the work of Solʹo·mon, the foremen over the people who were doing the work.
(Jeremiah 34:8-17) 8 The word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah after King Zed·e·kiʹah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to proclaim liberty to them, 9 that everyone should free his Hebrew slaves, male and female, so that no one would keep a fellow Jew as his slave. 10 So all the princes and all the people obeyed. They had entered into the covenant that everyone should free his male and female slaves and not keep them as slaves any longer. They obeyed and let them go. 11 However, they later brought back the male and female slaves whom they had freed, and they again forced them back into slavery. 12 So the word of Jehovah came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 13 “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel says, ‘I made a covenant with your forefathers in the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, saying: 14 “At the end of seven years, each of you should free his Hebrew brother who was sold to you and who has served you six years; you must set him free.” But your forefathers did not listen or incline their ears to me. 15 And recently you yourselves turned around and did what was right in my eyes by proclaiming liberty to your fellow men, and you made a covenant before me in the house that bears my name. 16 But then you turned around and profaned my name by bringing back your male and female slaves whom you had freed according to their desire, and you forced them back into slavery.’ 17 “Therefore this is what Jehovah says: ‘You have not obeyed me in proclaiming liberty, each one to his brother and to his fellow man. So I will now proclaim liberty to you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to the sword, to pestilence, and to famine, and I will make you an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.

This shows that God is as described in the Bible, (Exodus 34:6, 7) He is very patient, and reasonable.
Rather than become like a harsh taskmaster, gradually, Jehovah adjusted the thinking of his people.
God did not institute slavery. rather, he allowed it.
Slavery of that kind, will eventually end permanently.
A willingness to serve others, however, will continue, as it is a proper form of slavery.

(Proverbs 22:7) . . .And the borrower is a slave to the lender.


One can always count on the religious fundamentalists, to defend practices like slavery.

I challenge you to become my slave under biblical rules.
Remember that I get to beat you as long as you survive for "a day or two".


But you know what? Even if you would agree to it... I couldn't go through with it. My moral compass would eat me alive.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
But you know what? Even if you would agree to it... I couldn't go through with it. My moral compass would eat me alive.
How does your moral compass deal with the abandonment of the Kurds, the humanitarian crisis in Iraq, the Covid-19 death count, or shooting a black man in the back seven times?
 
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