Slovakia is banning Muslim immigration.

[Kirran]

do you mean sex without marriage or as promise of marriage, because of love , as boyfriend and girlfriend ?
for Muslims it's forbiden .

in West they saw that it's ok .

That's what I mean. Yes, that is not cool in Islam, I know. But in 'the West' opinions on it vary widely. Let's remember, the majority of your impressions of the West come from the media.

 

[Nietzsche]

that's my opinion, man !!
i am not arbiter .
everyone had his opinion , depending his thought and beliefs .

http://www.religiousforums.com/#34563489
The difference is that I don't seek to make my opinion law, or otherwise penalize people for doing what they want to do, regardless of how tasteless I may think it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

do you mean sex without marriage or as promise of marriage, because of love , as boyfriend and girlfriend ?
for Muslims it's forbiden .

in West they saw that it's ok .

In America, it depends on the area, but acceptance of sex outside of marriage wildly varies, and according to a study that was posted on another thread (I'll try and remember what one it was to post) recently that showed that approximately 40% of Americans do not agree with it. Myself, as long as it causes no real harm to another, I don't care what people do because it's not my business and not my life.

 

[MD]

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades" - Muammar al-Gaddafi

 

[Godobeyer]

That's what I mean. Yes, that is not cool in Islam, I know. But in 'the West' opinions on it vary widely. Let's remember, the majority of your impressions of the West come from the media.

yes i know it from media , is there exageration about stripers clubs or aduleltry club or in street in media ?

 

[Godobeyer]

The difference is that I don't seek to make my opinion law, or otherwise penalize people for doing what they want to do, regardless of how tasteless I may think it is.

opinion can't be law run on other people on other country or penalize them,my opinion is about human dignity , i considere striping is humilating job and dirty job , and also adultery too in , everywhere .

 

[Nada]

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades" - Muammar al-Gaddafi

It does not look good for Europe.I can just imagine what it will look like in 20 more years.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades" - Muammar al-Gaddafi

Look at how many Christians say that about America, even though the facts are that today Christianity is loosing it's grip on the government, even though their are still legions of devoted followers who want to turn America into a Christian theocracy.

 

[Godobeyer]

In America, it depends on the area, but acceptance of sex outside of marriage wildly varies, and according to a study that was posted on another thread (I'll try and remember what one it was to post) recently that showed that approximately 40% of Americans do not agree with it. Myself, as long as it causes no real harm to another, I don't care what people do because it's not my business and not my life.

thanks for this info !
how about strip clubs ? are most of Americans agree that their daughters or sisters go to "work" there strip clubs or adultery ?

 

[Godobeyer]

It does not look good for Europe.I can just imagine what it will look like in 20 more years.

check the news today , many refugees (most are Muslims) died in sea , run from war in Syria and Iraq .

I suggest to check all news channel right now !!

you will see this video :

Spoiler: Warning this video contain tragedy image

Europe is always shout for human rights !!!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

how about strip clubs ? are most of Americans agree that their daughters or sisters go to "work" there strip clubs or adultery ?

Here, strip clubs generally do not allow sexual contact, have a "no-touch" policy, and do not allow nudity, of any sort. I knew one stripper who told me that even her thong had to be wide enough so her genitals do not accidentally show.
And, as far as I know, most Americans do not approve of strip clubs, and some strippers drive miles away to work. But some of them do make a lot of money doing it. When I was working at a gas station, one of the strippers that came in was putting herself through college, paid off a nice vehicle, and was paying off a home just from stripping.

 

[Godobeyer]

Here, strip clubs generally do not allow sexual contact, have a "no-touch" policy, and do not allow nudity, of any sort. I knew one stripper who told me that even her thong had to be wide enough so her genitals do not accidentally show.
And, as far as I know, most Americans do not approve of strip clubs, and some strippers drive miles away to work. But some of them do make a lot of money doing it. When I was working at a gas station, one of the strippers that came in was putting herself through college, paid off a nice vehicle, and was paying off a home just from stripping.

thanks for this info too
is the striping consider as dirty job (for exemple if your daughter or mother ) want to, you will feel shame ?
or are most of men accept their couples/wifes do stripping ?

so is there women organisation against strippers (calling against strip clubs) ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

is the striping consider as dirty job (for exemple if your daughter or mother ) want to, you will feel shame ?

I personally wouldn't feel any shame if that is what they wanted to do. However, if they were doing it because they were in a poor financial situation and stripping was an option to improve their situation, I still wouldn't feel shame but I wouldn't be happy about the situation, either.

or are most of men accept their couples/wifes do stripping ?

That depends on the guy. Some will not date a stripper or allow their significant other to strip, while some don't mind.

so is there women organisation against strippers (calling against strip clubs) ?

I'm not aware of any groups that exist with the sole purpose of opposing stripping, there are many organizations and individuals who do oppose it and all forms of pornography.
Myself, as long as it is consensual, I don't mind or care. I'm far more concerned about situations, such as poverty, that draw people, mostly women, into stripping even though they may not really want to do it.

 

[Gharib]

Except one of those sources has videos showing Muslim saying this very thing. However Jeager made an assumption that a preference will lead to fundamental changes in the nation in order to make this preference into law. However for such a change in law to happen the nation will be in deep trouble already considering the checks to prevent such a change from happening. One could flip this around and post video's of Christians wanting their preference, for say same-sex marriage, to reflect laws of the land. The main issue of the video is ignored in favour of sharia fearmongering. This issue is assimilation which the a section of the US wants people to change their cultural references to be primarily American, origins are secondary to everything or are to be dropped, as a fundamental practice of gaining citizenship. There are also a number of people from both groups that prefer secular systems for the nation but their religious laws for themselves.

Muslims do not seek to force their beliefs/laws on anyone. Islamic laws are binding only on Muslims, for something to apply to you, a contract must be made where you agree to abide by the rules mentioned therein. Accepting Islam as one's religion is that contract. If you are not a Muslim then nothing of ours applies to anyone else.. So to make it a condition of gaining citizenship or asylum to any country by having to change one's beliefs and cultural traditions, religious or not, is very pathetic and closed minded. It really shows once and for all, regardless of secular or not, Muslims are not wanted so long as they keep to their faith. What's unfortunate though is that the Qur'an tells us this yet so many Muslims risk their lives for thinking they will be welcomed and instead they are not.

Islamic law prohibits turning away someone seeking our help. Muslim lands, even to this day, have the old buildings that were used to house travelers and those fleeing hardships. They were given food, medicine, medical checkups (it's similar to present day motels, except they were completely free) and were let free to resume their journey within the borders of the land of the Muslims and guaranteed protection. It is a real shame that this 'modernized' world has failed so pathetically in following this example.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islamic law prohibits turning away someone seeking our help. Muslim lands, even to this day, have the old buildings that were used to house travelers and those fleeing hardships. They were given food, medicine, medical checkups (it's similar to present day motels, except they were completely free) and were let free to resume their journey within the borders of the land of the Muslims and guaranteed protection. It is a real shame that this 'modernized' world has failed so pathetically in following this example.

While I know that much of what you speak is true (such as Muslim law not applying to non-Muslims), there were the downsides of the old Caliphate, such as slavery, demanding "tributes," and the rapid expansions through warfare.
And groups like ISIS - though admittedly they have violated Muslim law time and time again - they are Muslim and they do not agree with you. People would probably get along with Muslims better if they did, but much like Christian terrorists, Muslim terrorists find those few parts that they believe justifies their ways and they commit heinous acts of violence.

 

[Godobeyer]

I personally wouldn't feel any shame if that is what they wanted to do. However, if they were doing it because they were in a poor financial situation and stripping was an option to improve their situation, I still wouldn't feel shame but I wouldn't be happy about the situation, either.

That depends on the guy. Some will not date a stripper or allow their significant other to strip, while some don't mind.

I'm not aware of any groups that exist with the sole purpose of opposing stripping, there are many organizations and individuals who do oppose it and all forms of pornography.
Myself, as long as it is consensual, I don't mind or care. I'm far more concerned about situations, such as poverty, that draw people, mostly women, into stripping even though they may not really want to do it.

so poverty which push the women in West to strip !!!

If they find a man care about her (marry her) before she decide to switch her life to dirty job , she may changed her mind .

so woman in West find her self alone she decide to give up "lose her dignity" , so men enjoy by her looking for her privet parts .

why this Is not this dirty job run in human laws (humilited) against women in West ?!!!

 

[Godobeyer]

While I know that much of what you speak is true (such as Muslim law not applying to non-Muslims), there were the downsides of the old Caliphate, such as slavery, demanding "tributes," and the rapid expansions through warfare.
And groups like ISIS - though admittedly they have violated Muslim law time and time again - they are Muslim and they do not agree with you. People would probably get along with Muslims better if they did, but much like Christian terrorists, Muslim terrorists find those few parts that they believe justifies their ways and they commit heinous acts of violence.

this phenomen was in Algeria for 1992-to 1999 when terrorists decide to switch their crimes against only the army (not civilians ) .

I can say Algeria is the first Muslim country defeat troupes and groups of terrorists in this war .

Caliphate is (or Islam law) is suppose 100% justice with no abuse with Muslim and non-Muslims . ISIS don't practice that .

 

[Shad]

Muslims do not seek to force their beliefs/laws on anyone. Islamic laws are binding only on Muslims, for something to apply to you, a contract must be made where you agree to abide by the rules mentioned therein. Accepting Islam as one's religion is that contract. If you are not a Muslim then nothing of ours applies to anyone else.. So to make it a condition of gaining citizenship or asylum to any country by having to change one's beliefs and cultural traditions, religious or not, is very pathetic and closed minded. It really shows once and for all, regardless of secular or not, Muslims are not wanted so long as they keep to their faith. What's unfortunate though is that the Qur'an tells us this yet so many Muslims risk their lives for thinking they will be welcomed and instead they are not.

It is not about forcing belief on to others. It is about pushing religious laws into the nation, government and it's systems. Laws which contradict those of the nation. For example various groups wanted their own civic laws and court systems. These were in conflict with secular laws, especially divorce laws. I am against people attempting to gain special privileges with separate laws because they happen to follow religion X. Then another group wants these laws, then another. Better to solve the problem before it starts and make it clear the laws are secular and religious laws do not matter. This actually happened in Ontario, a group of Muslims wanted civic sharia courts since there were systems for a few forms of Christianity and Judaism. It became such an issues the government abolished the whole system completely. For the Jewish laws members of the Jewish community argued for abolishment due to the above and the fact people would just go to national laws in many cases anyways.

It is not about losing or keeping a faith. Its is about one's faith being irrelevant to national law. You construct a strawman to knockdown then claim victim-hood using it.

Islamic law prohibits turning away someone seeking our help. Muslim lands, even to this day, have the old buildings that were used to house travelers and those fleeing hardships. They were given food, medicine, medical checkups (it's similar to present day motels, except they were completely free) and were let free to resume their journey within the borders of the land of the Muslims and guaranteed protection. It is a real shame that this 'modernized' world has failed so pathetically in following this example.

It is not about how people act, its about having certain religious laws put into the national system. Recent waves of ultra-conservative Muslim immigrants wanted this. Secular and moderate Muslims opposed this. In the end these conservatives not only lost but took the whole idea of religious civic courts with the loss

 

[Kirran]

yes i know it from media , is there exageration about stripers clubs or aduleltry club or in street in media ?

Of course there is, an absolutely massive exaggeration.

EDIT: I looked up the stats, and the USA has 400,000 strippers. This is 0.13% of the population. 0.26% of the female population. And I expect many Western countries will have lower percentages than the USA.

 

[Godobeyer]

Of course there is, an absolutely massive exaggeration.

EDIT: I looked up the stats, and the USA has 400,000 strippers. This is 0.13% of the population. 0.26% of the female population. And I expect many Western countries will have lower percentages than the USA.

see !! how media mislead me , a give me wrong image ?