shawn001
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Does it prove that evolution doesn't need random beneficial mutations to happen first ?
What's your point ?
FearGod my question was and please answer
"is this bird "designed" or an accident of nature?
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Does it prove that evolution doesn't need random beneficial mutations to happen first ?
What's your point ?
No you don't. How honest is that? Its quite obvious your taking the ground of willful ignorance of factual evidence in support of Evolution.
Your perverting evidence it to match your faith. This below is a FACT.
AIP facts of evolution.
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
Nothing you say, can refute a single word, nor any source you choose will change one of these FACTS.
- In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
- Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
- Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
- Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
The Creationist God isn't smart enough to use Evolutionary algorithms to create life. He has to handcraft every detail like the carpenters in the old days only.
That's why we're a simple machines because God wasn't smart enough to make us much better, specially the eyes, not that perfect, we see 2 images for a single one.
FearGod my question was and please answer
"is this bird "designed" or an accident of nature?
FearGod my question was and please answer
"is this bird "designed" or an accident of nature?
So Fear God, why didn't God just design a planet with an Oxygen atmosphere right from the get go, why did it take billions of years to first evolved photosynthesis and then create the Oxygen needed for most, not all life forms on Earth today?
We know the universe evolved, we know the solar system evolved, we know life on earth biologically evolved and is still involving including us and we know the universe is still evolving.
All things should even look much worse than this one example, evolution sucks.
This one case is for you to think how evolution should be stupid, exactly the same opposite example of the snowflakes.
Wow, amazing, these wonderful snowflakes that occur naturally and if about humans, then it's a bad design if by God or simply no plan needed.
It's like asking why we need 9 months to grow in our mother's wombs, why not just from the get go.
Evolution does answer all of that, you just refuse to educate yourself and instead insist on attacking evolution blindly.And all of this information is "proof" that one "kind" of life evolved into all the many other different "kinds" of life forms? And this process, seemingly with no intelligent direction, produced all the living beings and systems we see, and have seen on planet Earth?
Sorry, I just can't see how that is possible.
I checked out the evolution of the horse. As far as I can see, horses may have changed in shape and size over time but they are still four legged creatures of the horse "kind"......but in 55 million years, give or take a few million, according to evolutionists, they did not form a completely different animal....did they?
We have many different varieties of domestic dogs and cats of all shapes, colors and variety, who can all interbreed, but are they are selectively bred by humans to remain within their distinct varieties.
Left to their own devices, these man-made breeds would soon become a mish-mash...but they would all remain true to their species....they would all still be dogs or cats no matter how much time elapsed. Their mating habits, programmed into their DNA, would ensure that.
The "kinds" of creatures that have been around for millennia, are still here basically unchanged except perhaps for minor adaptive features that facilitate feeding or reproduction. When Darwin observed the Galapagos finches and turtles he did not see one species evolving into another. He saw adaptation through isolation because of the environment on the island being different to the mainland. He made the leap, and it seems, others blindly followed.
Beetles were mentioned......but when adaptation took place, they remain of the beetle "kind" and still are to this day.......and sea creatures are still swimming around with other marines creatures of their "kind". I have yet to see evidence for one "kind" evolving into another "kind" of creature altogether. Why can't amphibians be the product of design, the same way any other creature is? Who said they must be some kind of transitional life form? How many transitional life forms are there really? There should be literally thousands for each species that is believed to have gradually evolved. Where are they? Evidence for the gradual changes in all these life forms should be in evidence......why are they missing?
Do you understand what a stretch it is to believe what you are saying? Interpretation of the "evidence" seems to be what agrees with their own assumptions. Throw in a couple on million years and all things are possible according to the theorists....yet the mention of an intelligent designer has them all spitting the dummy. Why is their scenario any less far fetched than you think ours is?
What does the real world show us? The one that is under our noses not under a skewed scientific lens, anticipating what "might have" occurred millions of years ago.
In the oceans, myriad forms of sea creatures only mate with their own species maintaining distinct varieties within their "kinds" that do not interbreed with any other "kind" of sea creature. The varieties within their "kinds" remain separate and distinct from one another because that is the way they are designed.
I looked up the evolution of the turtle or tortoise shell and it was supported by a video to demonstrate how the skeletal structure of early species somehow ended up outside their body....computer generated of course. I laughed.
No one has explained how birds know how to build the unique nests peculiar to their species when they were not there to observe their parents doing so in order for it to be a learned behavior.
How do birds and butterflies routinely migrate to places they have never been?
Do the designs, colors and patterning of caterpillars (linked to previously) just happen with no designer......just random chance enhancing their beauty? Are they attractive to one another? Why should they be? Caterpillars don't mate.
These are the questions that evolution does not seem to want to answer. I am not impressed by the imagination of men...even learned ones.
No there are more cases then that. Humans of course had nothing to do with it, so with God no plan needed and God messed with the bird and other gynandromorphism animals for no reason and no plan, just designed them to have trouble in life?
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Gynandromorphism is a condition whereby an animal presents both male and female characteristics. That was the case for this unique Midwest cardinal, who featured female plumage on its right side and male plumage on its left side.
Because the cardinal color split (half white, half red) ran vertically from top to bottom, the specimen was considered to exhibit bilateral gynandromorphism. In addition to birds, various types of gynandromorphism can be seen butterflies, crustaceans and arachnids."
Gynandromorphic cardinal spotted in Illinois - UPI.com
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Bilateral gynandromorphism: a fancy way of saying you're (literally) half male and half female
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In extraordinary cases, some animals have each chromosome in very particular physical regions. Meet the gynandromorphs — parts of their bodies are male...and the other parts are female.
The chromosomes of an animal determine its sex. But some animals have sex chromosomes that aren't expressed. Some have chromosomes that are expressed internally, whereas a different set are expressed externally. Nature has many ways of combining genes, and some of these combinations evince a distinctly binary way of looking at the world. Such is the case with a genetic condition known as gynandromorphism."
Bilateral gynandromorphism: a fancy way of saying you're (literally) half male and half female
No, you are being dishonest. Macro evolution is observed fact. It is something we have actually observed. You keep pretending not to have been told that.Obviously you didn't read I what I replied....I actually agreed with most of it.
I am not a creationist....but I can't swallow the whole macro-evolutionary argument either. I take the middle ground, which is much more reasonable in my view and fits the facts rather than the speculation. Do you understand that?
Exactly since we need 9 months to grow in our mother's womb from evolution. But why not if designed from the get go and "God did it" and not through billions of years of evolution, micro and macro, sine we know both are a fact. So if there is a God and you believe there is, then from 150 years of testing and more sophisticated testing methods and all our observations, and billions of facts, in many many disciplines of science and the case just keeps getting stronger to the point where now its just how it worked, not that it didn't work that way, that is how God must work, through evolution micro and macro evolution.
So in short, you believe that humans is the product of the inanimate stone and for you it makes sense.
"evolution sucks"
Yet your here because of it. Every atom in your body and the elements like carbon formed by nucleosynthesis and the air you breath by the evolution of photosynthesis.
Since you believe in God, its to bad you have such views of God's work.
Can we build a building without making the blocks first, and should we make one block to make a building or we need more than one block, what if we need to make 100 buildings, how many blocks we need and what if millions.
So why we need to make the simple blocks first, why not just to make the buildings directly.
I hope this answer your question as why we need simpler things to make a more complex ones.