FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do you believe that a woman can be pregnant without a man being involved ?
If it happened then you should believe it because it's a fact, right.
That's how stupid your fact is.
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Snowflakes....designed or accidents of nature?
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Do you believe that a woman can be pregnant without a man being involved ?
If it happened then you should believe it because it's a fact, right.
That's how stupid your fact is.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It's about logic, i won't believe a God that create things out of nothing.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Well why believe a god at all then?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Because of the reality which we're living in and observing it.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
And what about reality leads you to think a god is possible?
shawn001
Well-Known Member
It isn't inanimate stone.
There is NO evolution that based in ID. You do know where the term ID came from and them lying yes? As well as are you a Christian, are you going to change your religion to support them, because that is their goal?
Paul Nelson one of the leaders of ID in hos own words.
"Nelson is a fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture and of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design. He is frequently cited by opponents of intelligent design as an example of ID's "big tent" strategy in action. He has written about "Life in the Big Tent" in the Christian Research Journal.[4] In an interview for Touchstone Magazine Nelson said that the main challenge facing the ID community was to "develop a full-fledged theory of biological design", and that the lack of such a theory was a "real problem".
Paul Nelson (creationist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At the intelligent design trail in Dover.
Paul Nelson, speak for himself.
""Easily, the biggest challenge facing the I.D. community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don't have such a theory right now, and that's a real problem. Without a theory, it's very hard to know where to direct your research focus. Right now, we've got a bag of powerful intuitions and a handful of notions, such as irreducible complexity, but as yet, no general theory of biological design."
NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial
There arguement for "irreducible complexity" was shot down, because they showed it didn't happen biologically so it was wrong.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The reality of the natural things, supernatural things is beyond my understanding and is beyond the reality that i know.
For example the singularity is never a natural thing and beyond the reality of my world.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Ok, and your answer to the question; What leads you to think a god is possible is?
shawn001
Well-Known Member
FearGod, you might want to watch these, because its not inaminate stone, no one believes that, that I know of anyway.
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 1: The Origin of Cellular Life on Earth
Szostak begins his lecture with examples of the extreme environments in which life exists on Earth. He postulates that given the large number of earth-like planets orbiting sun-like stars, and the ability of microbial life to exist in a wide range of environments, it is probable that an environment that could support life exists somewhere in our galaxy. However, whether or not life does exist elsewhere, depends on the answer to the question of how difficult it is for life to arise from the chemistry of the early planets. Szostak proceeds to demonstrate that by starting with simple molecules and conditions found on the early earth, it may in fact be possible to generate a primitive, self-replicating protocell.
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 2: Protocell Membranes
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 3: Non-enzymatic Copying of Nucleic Acid Templates
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 1: The Origin of Cellular Life on Earth
Szostak begins his lecture with examples of the extreme environments in which life exists on Earth. He postulates that given the large number of earth-like planets orbiting sun-like stars, and the ability of microbial life to exist in a wide range of environments, it is probable that an environment that could support life exists somewhere in our galaxy. However, whether or not life does exist elsewhere, depends on the answer to the question of how difficult it is for life to arise from the chemistry of the early planets. Szostak proceeds to demonstrate that by starting with simple molecules and conditions found on the early earth, it may in fact be possible to generate a primitive, self-replicating protocell.
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 2: Protocell Membranes
Jack Szostak (Harvard/HHMI) Part 3: Non-enzymatic Copying of Nucleic Acid Templates
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Because God is the supernatural thing which i know it should exist and i don't know what it is because it's beyond the reality that i know.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
What?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Then tell me how the DNA was produced by nature, tell me the story.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
OK, let me help you to answer it yourself.
Do you think that the singularity is a natural thing that you can comprehend and understand ?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
What singularity?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It's the whole universe being compressed into a dot which is what we call the infinite density.
What Is The Big Bang Theory
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Sure, yes I think it was a natural phenomenon.It's the whole universe being compressed in a dot which is what we call the infinite density.
What Is The Big Bang Theory
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is the difference between the believers and the disbelievers.
The disbelievers think that it's a natural thing that can be comprehended and understood whereas the believers believe it to be a supernatural thing that can never be understood by us and hence they believe that a supernatural thing is involved.
So as you call it as a natural phenomenon, i call it a supernatural event.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
You need to watch the videos.
You need DNA and RNA
A lot of the ingredients are abundant in space as well. Plus, as I mentioned before you have to have carbon and there is only one place that comes from and its in space. You yourself said you need the building blocks first to build the house, but the carbon your made from and other heavy elements, the needed "building blocks" the elements themselves, and you are a carbon based life form for a fact came from huge star explosions in Space.
Nucleosynthesis
A star's energy comes from the combining of light elements into heavier elements in a process known as fusion, or "nuclear burning". It is generally believed that most of the elements in the universe heavier than helium are created, or synthesized, in stars when lighternuclei fuse to make heavier nuclei. The process is called nucleosynthesis.
Nucleosynthesis requires a high-speed collision, which can only be achieved with very high temperature. The minimum temperature required for the fusion of hydrogen is 5 million degrees. Elements with more protons in their nuclei require still higher temperatures. For instance, fusing carbon requires a temperature of about one billion degrees! Most of the heavy elements, from oxygen up through iron, are thought to be produced in stars that contain at least ten times as much matter as our Sun.
Our Sun is currently burning, or fusing, hydrogen to helium. This is the process that occurs during most of a star's lifetime. After the hydrogen in the star's core is exhausted, the star can burn helium to form progressively heavier elements, carbon and oxygen and so on, until iron and nickel are formed. Up to this point the process releases energy. The formation of elements heavier than iron and nickel requires the input of energy. Supernova explosions result when the cores of massive stars have exhausted their fuel supplies and burned everything into iron and nickel. The nuclei with mass heavier than nickel are thought to be formed during these explosions.
NASA's Cosmicopia - Basics - Composition - Nucleosynthesis
NASA Researchers: DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space
"NASA-funded researchers have evidence that some building blocks of DNA, the molecule that carries the genetic instructions for life, found in meteorites were likely created in space. The research gives support to the theory that a "kit" of ready-made parts created in space and delivered to Earth by meteorite and comet impacts assisted the origin of life.
"People have been discovering components of DNA in meteorites since the 1960's, but researchers were unsure whether they were really created in space or if instead they came from contamination by terrestrial life," said Dr. Michael Callahan of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "For the first time, we have three lines of evidence that together give us confidence these DNA building blocks actually were created in space." Callahan is lead author of a paper on the discovery appearing in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America."
"The discovery adds to a growing body of evidence that the chemistry inside asteroids and comets is capable of making building blocks of essential biological molecules. For example, previously, these scientists at the Goddard Astrobiology Analytical Laboratory have found amino acids in samples of comet Wild 2 from NASA’s Stardust mission, and in various carbon-rich meteorites. Amino acids are used to make proteins, the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions."
NASA - NASA Researchers: DNA Building Blocks Can Be Made in Space
shawn001
Well-Known Member
The singularity is actually an add on to the Big bang theory. Just like abiogensis is to evolution. We know the Big Bang happened because we have pictures of it, we don't know exactly how it got started. What Banged, but we know it banged because again we took a picture of it. AS well as other evidence we have, the expansion of the universe itself. You could see it yourself if you could see in microwave. The oldest light we can see in the universe that comes at us from all directions of space BEFORE Stars or galaxies existed. It takes a while to really learn what this picture is about what it means and what we have learned from it. Its basically a heat map as well of the entire universe.
The image is based on the initial 15.5 months of data from Planck and is the mission’s first all-sky picture of the oldest light in our Universe, imprinted on the sky when it was just 380 000 years old.
At that time, the young Universe was filled with a hot dense soup of interacting protons, electrons and photons at about 2700ºC. When the protons and electrons joined to form hydrogen atoms, the light was set free. As the Universe has expanded, this light today has been stretched out to microwave wavelengths, equivalent to a temperature of just 2.7 degrees above absolute zero.
This ‘cosmic microwave background’ – CMB – shows tiny temperature fluctuations that correspond to regions of slightly different densities at very early times, representing the seeds of all future structure: the stars and galaxies of today.
According to the standard model of cosmology, the fluctuations arose immediately after the Big Bang and were stretched to cosmologically large scales during a brief period of accelerated expansion known as inflation.
Planck was designed to map these fluctuations across the whole sky with greater resolution and sensitivity than ever before. By analysing the nature and distribution of the seeds in Planck’s CMB image, we can determine the composition and evolution of the Universe from its birth to the present day.
Planck reveals an almost perfect Universe / Planck / Space Science / Our Activities / ESA
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Its not some super natural event, it fits the laws of physics and is natural by its very nature. It is nature. Now you could say God cause it, but that would be supernatural event and cause. Then you can pick whatever God you want to believe in caused it. Science can't use the supernatural because we can observe or test for it. Things we use to think had supernatural causes, later turned out to have natural explanations.
By the way, again if you want to support the ID movement are you going to become a Christian, that is there real agenda?
By the way, again if you want to support the ID movement are you going to become a Christian, that is there real agenda?