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So whats so great about a Christian heaven?
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Muffled
Jesus in me
Good luck finding anything in all that fire.
Somehow I find Nietzsche and the people he finds interesting to be uninteresting. That would be like telling me to stick my hand in the fire because it is an interesting experience. No thanks. I'll pass on that.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Haven´t you payed attention to the paintings?
Everyone looks awesome and is naked all the time.
Don´t let the pictures decieve you though:
The orgies happen when they are not posing for the artist:yes:
Artists have their own concepts which may or may not be true.
When I was there people were clothed.
There are no orgies in Heaven because it is a sin and sin is not allowed in Heaven.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Why would something like orgies be a sin in Heaven? I presume orgies are sinful on Earth because they conflict with the ordained way of raising children, and because they can lead to unforeseen harmful consequences. But no children are raised in Heaven. And in Heaven, unlike on Earth, nothing bad could possibly happen, since Heaven is perfect, right? So ... ?Muffled said:
What about something milder than an orgy, say, a white T-shirt KY jelly wrestling match? Surely those are happening constantly in heaven ....
Whats so great about a Christian heaven? The absence of all
the horrors of this world that are often presented as proof that
there's no God, I would presume.
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the horrors of this world that are often presented as proof that
there's no God, I would presume.
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I don't understand most descriptions of heaven at all.
Nirvana, Heaven, Paradise, Moksha, etc...
I think details are often missing for a reason. Some of the simplest descriptions are just materialistic pleasure-worlds. More insightful descriptions just seem to be lacking of description, an unwillingness to clarify, explain, or claim to know. These concepts seem to be placeholders for something of substance rather than really consisting of substance. A goal to strive for, something in the future to look forward to rather than to focus on the present.
I find descriptions of heaven useful for only one reason: insight into a person's character. Viewing people's ultimate desires can be fascinating.
-Do they desire timeless, spaceless pleasure?
-An endless feeling of euphoria without action or difficulty?
-Do they seek a persona to be with? Someone to continue worshiping?
-Or to be like gods, devas, or angels; glorious bodies and yet still ultimately human and limited, moving about their environment seeking contentment?
-Do they seek so hard to escape their self for some reason and achieve oneness?
-Is heaven described in physical terms, like a tropical paradise that they never get bored of?
-Or those that are based on fear rather that desire; they fear fire and suffering, yet are willing to worship beings that allow it or create it for others?
-Do they expect it to be given to them, or do they expect to create it for themselves?
-Are details of little concern, as long as it's better than this life?
Interesting thread.
Nirvana, Heaven, Paradise, Moksha, etc...
I think details are often missing for a reason. Some of the simplest descriptions are just materialistic pleasure-worlds. More insightful descriptions just seem to be lacking of description, an unwillingness to clarify, explain, or claim to know. These concepts seem to be placeholders for something of substance rather than really consisting of substance. A goal to strive for, something in the future to look forward to rather than to focus on the present.
I find descriptions of heaven useful for only one reason: insight into a person's character. Viewing people's ultimate desires can be fascinating.
-Do they desire timeless, spaceless pleasure?
-An endless feeling of euphoria without action or difficulty?
-Do they seek a persona to be with? Someone to continue worshiping?
-Or to be like gods, devas, or angels; glorious bodies and yet still ultimately human and limited, moving about their environment seeking contentment?
-Do they seek so hard to escape their self for some reason and achieve oneness?
-Is heaven described in physical terms, like a tropical paradise that they never get bored of?
-Or those that are based on fear rather that desire; they fear fire and suffering, yet are willing to worship beings that allow it or create it for others?
-Do they expect it to be given to them, or do they expect to create it for themselves?
-Are details of little concern, as long as it's better than this life?
Interesting thread.
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Whats so great about a Christian heaven? The absence of all
the horrors of this world that are often presented as proof that
there's no God, I would presume.
Horrors of the world?
Presented proof?
You do presume much that never appears in the OP itself.
I do invite you to actually address and hopefully lend answer to the OP question as presented, instead of simply projecting your own bias as presumptively obvious and preferable.
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
As I produced numerous biblical references in the first few sentences of the OP, I'm guessing you didn't even manage to get that far..
So your dismissive effort is indeed "moot".
Nope, my answer pretty much stands, based on observations
which have appeared, and re-appeared, beyond just one OP in
a single thread, from like-minded individuals who themselves
undoubtedly would wonder what indeed is so great about a
Christian heaven.
(Whatever a "Christian heaven" actually means -- the OP
description seems to contain it's own biases, so perhaps it
should be established which biases are permitted on this thread
and which ones are not?)
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Heaven is the carrot, so to speak, for those who are part of the first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20 v 6.
Once touching heaven they will serve as: kings and priests.- Rev. 5 vs 9,10
So, those in heaven have two [2] jobs to do:
As kings they will take care of governmental needs of earthly subjects during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
As priests they will provide spiritual help for earthly subjects of God's kingdom.
-Psalm 72 v 8
waitasec
Veteran Member
sounds like hell to me.
Which hell are you referring? The temporary Biblical hell [sheol] where Jesus slept in death until God resurrected Jesus out of hell [Acts 2 vs 27,31,32]
Or are you referring to the non-biblical pagan myth hell of forever burning ?
waitasec
Veteran Member
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Well, you have proffered a few herrings to to clean up or use as fodder for future plantings in the spring, so...
I am well aware that my perspective is hardly deemed singular or unique, but as you are seemingly either unwilling or unable to lend answer to the Op, I'll consider your reply querulous at best
Secondly, personal bias alone does not necessarily serve to invalidate a given premise unless you care to demonstrate/argue how it does.
(As simple analogy...I may retain a personal bias against any funding of manned space flight and exploration, but my bias alone may or may not support a presented argument in opposition to that endeavor, especially in light of known facts both past and present revealed/discovered by the advent of documented historical manned space fight itself. See?).
This is a forum for debate, and is subject to the rules of proper decorum... not in determined worthiness of argument or bias as determined by moderation of forum gatekeepers... that responsibility is incumbent upon you to provide in rebuttal reasoned reply...as invited.
Being deflective and argumentative does not address the Op in any substantive manner, but you are still invited to do so if you please
As you do not self-identify as an adherent Christian, I'll consider any further lent perspective on your part as more akin to that of a passive observer than engaged participant
TheAtwaterChristian
New Member
Heaven is a place where you get to be free of all sinners and ugliness on Earth, No murders, rapists, child molesters, no more bills, or struggling to keep your house. But before you go to heaven you must go to purgatory, there you are made into a pure angel and become pure in the eyes of God. In heaven you also get to meet all the spirits whom made the great journey from Earth to Heaven. But I must warn you, if you do not beleive in God you cannot enjoy all of his pleasures and love. If you do not beleive in him you do not beleive in heaven and therefore you will be sent to the anti-heaven "hell".
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
OK, just wondering...
What source or script do you account as foundation of your claim? Please note that my OP (which I suggest you read completely, if you would please) referenced the "Christian Heaven" (as alluded/described vaguely enough in Biblical Scripture).
If your answer is intended as reply to the notions of a Christian "heaven", it should be no chore for you to provide scriptural support in quoted Chapter and Verse from same. As I have read The Bible many times, in great depth, I can tell you most confidently that there is no accounting or specifics regarding "No murders, rapists, child molesters, no more bills, or struggling to keep your house."
If you are merely sharing some "personalized revelation" or insight of your own unique experience, it's not an especially compelling testimonial, Scripturally speaking (though your earnest and heartfelt warnings are noted).
Tell you what, I'll even let you off the hook in providing any support of your initial claims as stated...
Just tell me what some one does for the next trillion years or so... even if you are a renter?