Secret Chief
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I heard that hell is other people.
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"obey my laws(mans), pay your taxes, fight my wars and you get to go to heaven"
IMO none of them grant any passage to heaven if heaven exits.
...Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)?
Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)?
Recent discussions make me wonder what various persons believe about hell (or hellfire). Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)? (also for @Trailblazer )
Hell is a concept that developed in evolved religions. Some believe that primitive humans had no concept for eternal death, they assumed that everyone went on to the spirit world so they envisioned a place where those who were not very nice in life would be punished while the good people would be rewarded.Recent discussions make me wonder what various persons believe about hell (or hellfire). Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)? (also for @Trailblazer )
I think most people have an erroneous view.Recent discussions make me wonder what various persons believe about hell (or hellfire). Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)? (also for @Trailblazer )
Usually people view those who inflict torture on others as bad. And I cannot imagine they are loving to that person.
IMHORecent discussions make me wonder what various persons believe about hell (or hellfire). Do you think a loving person would literally torture anyone forever as some would believe about hell (or hellfire)? (also for @Trailblazer )
Here is a question. Why do you throw garbage in a fire? To punish it or to destroy it? Fire burns things up. It destroys things. People who are not saved are garbage to God. He destroys them. They are not burning in torture forever. They turn to ashes and are gone. Just like garbage.
I think most people have an erroneous view.
I think most people have an erroneous view.
1st. Would people say, "Would a loving judge torture a multi-people murderer by sending the murderer to a lifetime in prison until death hits him? Or, would a loving prison guard put a man in solitary confinement because he continued to murder in prison?"
Of course not. We would say it was a just punishment.
2nd. If the murder said, "Why are you being so mean? How can you be so unjust with me? It wasn't even my fault.. the made me do it! It's my DNA's fault." No.. we would call that a victim mentality
3rd.. If the judge said, "You know what? If you will give your life to service and love, I will pardon everything you have done wrong! The offer is there for as long as you live" And the murder said "NO! I don't want to love and I don't love what you are offering! You are FORCING me to love people!" Is it the judges fault that he went to prison to suffer?
So really, it isn't the "loving God" that is doing anything but rather the murderer that simply wanted his way and got his way -- just like he wanted it. (In light of my signature)
PS. Maybe "forever" is just a statement that means "the penalty, however short, seems like forever". Regardless, whether forever or temporary, no one has to experience it.
Was there something that sounded wrong?And we should trust that you are the one person who has sorted it all out and has the correct view?
Was there something that sounded wrong?
I like imitating JesusAre you answering my question with a question?
I like imitating Jesus