No, it is what he did when religious people and lawyers tried to entrap him.
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So what about hell?
- Thread starter YoursTrue
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Feel free to answer my question then, I'm neither a religious person or a lawyer. Although it might be wise to find out if anything is said about retired train drivers.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The fear of death can change lives for some.
It’s the principle and not the office that one works at.
So I’ll just quote Jesus
Mark 11:29 And Jesus answering said to them, I also will ask you one thing, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things | Darby's Translation 1890 (DARBY) | Download The Bible App Now
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I did not say that. To understand the soul, we'd have to have a good discussion of terms used and how they translate and are used. I'll keep it brief and say without going into a longer discussion now that I AM a soul, a living one. To make this clearer, when God created Adam and breathed the "breath of life" into his body, Adam became a "living soul." He was not a living soul before that. Since not all Bibles have the same way of translating from the Hebrew, I'll quote Genesis 2:7 King James Version: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." So just to keep in mind, that the first man BECAME a living soul. There's more, but I'll leave it at that for the moment.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
To an extent, but not always. Some things have interpretations.
For instance, me personally -- I find it very interesting that after Jesus died the temple in Jerusalem was ransacked by the Roman armies. And for virtually 2,000 years has not been rebuilt. Why do I find that interesting? Because Jesus foretold its destruction and the Jewish way of worship with the high priest and animal sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem is not there.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Humanity isn't qualified to know what people truly deserve. In light of that I think it's very, very important that people get what they deserve as often and always as they deserve it, good or bad. If people don't get what they deserve then life becomes very very bad, and none would repent.
Deserve is a question of virtues and empathy for others. A loving God would give everyone what they deserve according to their character and actions.
As for heaven and hell I can't see that evil should ever be allowed to linger on forever. If God cannot conquer the evil heart unto repentance ever, then I think that which is forever evil shouldn't be allowed to exist.
I don't believe there is a God but I do believe that justice just might be the conquering higher power that everyone needs. Humanity can offer lawful protections that are reasonable, but no man is ever the righteous judge of another. Some crimes are fit for death, and probably do deserve a lot worse to the measure.
Humanity is fallibility prone though. Perfect justice in this world is not possible I think. But no one should be giving up on what's fair and just.
Deserve is a question of virtues and empathy for others. A loving God would give everyone what they deserve according to their character and actions.
As for heaven and hell I can't see that evil should ever be allowed to linger on forever. If God cannot conquer the evil heart unto repentance ever, then I think that which is forever evil shouldn't be allowed to exist.
I don't believe there is a God but I do believe that justice just might be the conquering higher power that everyone needs. Humanity can offer lawful protections that are reasonable, but no man is ever the righteous judge of another. Some crimes are fit for death, and probably do deserve a lot worse to the measure.
Humanity is fallibility prone though. Perfect justice in this world is not possible I think. But no one should be giving up on what's fair and just.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
In my opinion, if there is no God, there cannot be justice.
Trailblazer
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I do not believe that God tortures anyone at all at any time.
I understand and hopefully you understand why I don't trust what you post to be anymore factual than the numerous other interpretations I've heard.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Is that what the Bahai religion teaches?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So let's go back to your initial query more or less about why anyone suffers. If it's not from God (suffering) then why do we suffer? Or maybe you don't equate suffering with torture? The guy in the illustration Jesus gave who was down below while "Lazarus" was in God's bosom, said, (I paraphrase) "It's really hot in here..." Now if my a/c isn't working and I'm stuffed up in the apartment, and it's a hot day, I suffer. But emotional suffering is not the greatest either.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
There can be justice in the secular justice system but people don't always get what they deserve in this world.
When they don't receive justice, of if they are unjustly dealt with, God will set everything aright in the next world.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, I do not equate suffering with torture and we are talking about torture in the afterlife (hell), not suffering in this life.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
It is time to end Judas the tormentor.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The fear of God can change lives for some.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I hope there is one. Either way I can determine what is good and evil for myself. And if I know the differences between good and evil then I can at least determine what justice looks like.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Oh, I hate how "hell" has become...
In my religion Hel (Helheimr) is the land of the dead. This is also where the word "Hell" comes from. In my personal belief, Hel is where all the dead reside, even those who died in battle, and Valhalla is Odin's hall in Hel. There is no punishment - certainly not eternal - in Hel, and not even punishment in Nastrond (yes, I am aware of what is written in the Prose Edda). Rather, our punishments come in whatever shames we leave behind, for so long as that memory persists.
In my religion Hel (Helheimr) is the land of the dead. This is also where the word "Hell" comes from. In my personal belief, Hel is where all the dead reside, even those who died in battle, and Valhalla is Odin's hall in Hel. There is no punishment - certainly not eternal - in Hel, and not even punishment in Nastrond (yes, I am aware of what is written in the Prose Edda). Rather, our punishments come in whatever shames we leave behind, for so long as that memory persists.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
According to the Bible, we are all born with sin inherently in our bodies, which includes our minds. I did not make up the rules of justice for the various governments, I'm not even sure what the rules of justice are, although there are "laws" and penalties.