Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is fantasy.
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So what about hell?
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I believe that is fantasy.
cataway
Well-Known Member
Hell (“Sheol” and “Hades” ) is simply the grave, not a place of fiery torment. Who go to hell? Both good people and bad people. (Job 14:13; Psalm 9:17) The Bible says that this common grave of mankind is “the house of meeting for everyone living.”—Job 30:23.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You can believe what you want, but the Bible says there will be no more sorrow in the future. It doesn't mean because they're dead. It means that all traces of unhappiness will -- be -- gone. Left behind, as the saying goes, never to come up in the mind anymore. (Have a good one.)
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
If you look at Revelation 21, you will see that the tent of God will be with mankind -- and God will be with mankind on the earth. It depicts not literal tent, but protection and a covering -- and this will be effected on the earth. Read Revelation 21:1-5.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
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Mark La Buda
Member
The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Some translations use she’ohl´ (Hebrew) and its equivalent hai´des, (Greek) which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind. “Hades” is the ancient mythical Greek name for their “god“of the “underworld.” Also, Gehenna (Greek), was used as a symbol of eternal destruction. Furthermore, modern translators of the Bible have nurtured this doctrine by not rendering accurate translations of these words within the various editions of the Bible; these same translators are not even consistent in their different applications in the various contexts of the scriptures.
God warned the human families’ first parents what the results for disobedience would be: death and returning to dust. (Genesis. 2:17; 3:19) Other than the conditions that imperfection brings, no other conditions were given as a warning to be imposed after death. Apostle Paul counseled that death acquits us of our sins; furthermore, he stated that the wages for sin is death-nothing else. (Romans 6:7, 23; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10; Psalms 146:3, 4) Theological doctrine as “Hell/Hades.” is only one of Satan (Opposer) the Devil’s (Slanderer) ploys to mislead many. (Revelation 12:9) Remember that he is the “father of the lie” and the god of this system of things. (John 8:44; 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 6:11; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:19) The correct translations are the common grave or pit. (Job 17:16; 34:15; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Isaiah 14:11) These are only a few scriptures comforting us of the condition of the dead.
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
Humans aren't garbage. I am so sorry that you are part of an ideology that believes this. You aren't garbage. You don't deserve hell. You matter.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God does not consider anyone to be garbage and God is not going to burn anyone up.
It is these kinds of beliefs that give Christianity a bad name and turn people away from Christianity.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Once bad people realize what they did to people was wrong, no matter how bad they were, they will be able to change in the future. Between genetic/epigenetic manipulation and other ways of changing the mind, I have no doubt even the worst of society will be able to redeem themselves, including all the selfish dictators that ever existed. And I don't believe in a literal Heaven or Hell, but rather, I believe people will eventually create a society that will resurrect the dead and develop a way to both maximize human freedom and at the same time reduce the amount of victimhood as possible. I do not know what this society will be or look like, but it seems to be heading towards that direction anyway.
Of course I'm going to get a lot of people who disagree and are possibly offended by what I said. I get it. But I also understand that when bad things happen to people, it can escalate into more bad things. It's already been proven that provoking anger leads people to become more angry later on. There isn't necessarily going to be a correct solution that works all the time, but if we find out how each individual thinks we can prevent bad things from happening in the future... Which of course by itself could go out of control. Free will is a huge determining factor of what people do, and I disagree with the determinists who would think otherwise. But we need to learn what is and isn't in the realm of free will and then plan the future accordingly.
I know that violates a lot of privacy issues going forth, but time has proven that the younger generations don't care about privacy as much as older people do. I think most people would like to know how they think and then understand what is in their realm of their own free will to do. Perhaps by understanding that we will be able to determine the optimal future for just about everybody... Eventually with technology moving as fast as it is it might be possible one day to see to it that everybody gets a Universe or Multiverse just for themselves, and the whole notion of Heaven or Hell at that point will become redundant because everybody will be able to literally create a nature that suits specifically them.
In fact, my avatar is a Viking symbol that means "create your own reality." Hopefully one day I'll be able to do just that.
Of course I'm going to get a lot of people who disagree and are possibly offended by what I said. I get it. But I also understand that when bad things happen to people, it can escalate into more bad things. It's already been proven that provoking anger leads people to become more angry later on. There isn't necessarily going to be a correct solution that works all the time, but if we find out how each individual thinks we can prevent bad things from happening in the future... Which of course by itself could go out of control. Free will is a huge determining factor of what people do, and I disagree with the determinists who would think otherwise. But we need to learn what is and isn't in the realm of free will and then plan the future accordingly.
I know that violates a lot of privacy issues going forth, but time has proven that the younger generations don't care about privacy as much as older people do. I think most people would like to know how they think and then understand what is in their realm of their own free will to do. Perhaps by understanding that we will be able to determine the optimal future for just about everybody... Eventually with technology moving as fast as it is it might be possible one day to see to it that everybody gets a Universe or Multiverse just for themselves, and the whole notion of Heaven or Hell at that point will become redundant because everybody will be able to literally create a nature that suits specifically them.
In fact, my avatar is a Viking symbol that means "create your own reality." Hopefully one day I'll be able to do just that.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Are the threats of Hell a curse, or are they a blessing?
Like here is a description of Hell from the Quran:
Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on! Quran 18:29
And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water,- Quran 19:86
Some people might think it sounds really bad. But I can see some truth in the words.
Hell: Fire, as like a tent, as like brass, as like cattle.
I can see the words/symbols are correct. They are showing symbols that share a common position when overlapping with other different word/symbol layers.
Like this verse shows one layer of three symbols from the bible:
"And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats". Ezekiel 34:17
And this shows another:
"To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass," Exodus 31:4
When these two layers are put together can see them overlapping and brass and cattle are both sharing the same position.
Like this:
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
So the brass symbol is exactly the same as the cattle symbol.
Consider the tents of wickedness:
"For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness". Psalm 84:10
"And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle". Genesis 4:20
So it is not as bad as it sounds. They are symbols confirming other symbols.
Hell is also spoken of in good ways (good symbols). Like I could explain logical reasoning why Hell is also "the land of milk and honey" mentioned in the bible.
Edit:
This might help with better understanding the tent, brass, cattle symbol position.
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Tent - House - Mansion
The bible mentions the building of a house.
Like here is a description of Hell from the Quran:
Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on! Quran 18:29
And We shall drive the sinners to Hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water,- Quran 19:86
Some people might think it sounds really bad. But I can see some truth in the words.
Hell: Fire, as like a tent, as like brass, as like cattle.
I can see the words/symbols are correct. They are showing symbols that share a common position when overlapping with other different word/symbol layers.
Like this verse shows one layer of three symbols from the bible:
"And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats". Ezekiel 34:17
And this shows another:
"To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass," Exodus 31:4
When these two layers are put together can see them overlapping and brass and cattle are both sharing the same position.
Like this:
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
So the brass symbol is exactly the same as the cattle symbol.
Consider the tents of wickedness:
"For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness". Psalm 84:10
"And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle". Genesis 4:20
So it is not as bad as it sounds. They are symbols confirming other symbols.
Hell is also spoken of in good ways (good symbols). Like I could explain logical reasoning why Hell is also "the land of milk and honey" mentioned in the bible.
Edit:
This might help with better understanding the tent, brass, cattle symbol position.
Brass - Silver - Gold
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
Tent - House - Mansion
The bible mentions the building of a house.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I do not really know anyone who looks forward to dying. And we do know that various religions teach different things about what happens when we die. I am glad you mentioned what you did about death, and the warning God gave to Adam and Eve about disobedience. It was death -- not eternal torture in living misery in some place called hellfire or how hell is misinterpreted. Thank you for your explanation and I hope some read and absorb it. So it makes sense that when we die we go back to the dust, but we can remain in God's memory and He can bring us back from the dead.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Once again -- nobody feels anything in hell. Because they're dead, they're not alive. The 'hell' you're talking about is the miserable state of many people on this earth. This earth is not what it will be in the future. Try to get it straight, Moon. There' is no bad or good feeling when we're dead. Or in the hell spoken of in the Bible. Hell - the grave -- sheol (Hebrew) -- death -- (literal death).
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Haha there is nothing when your dead. I have it straight, don’t u worry
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You know me. I look forward to dying.
32: O SON OF THE SUPREME! I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that statement is out of context.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that does not fit your previous statement.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is no evidence for that.