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So what are your plans in heaven?

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I plan to open a bakery.
I'd originally toyed with the idea of a bookshop, but it occurred to me that encouraging independent thinking and new ideas might get me thrown out.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
If there is an afterlife, whatever it is, "I" won't be "me" anymore anyway so why even bother thinking about it.
 

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
In Heaven it's all over and all just beginning. There is no need to proselytize, defend my faith, read absurd post by atheists, its party time. But Heaven isn’t the end all. There will be a new earth. And there we will dwell forever like was meant for this earth until we corrupted it. I’ll talk to Adam and Eve of course. I will meet my ancestors of believers and thank them for their faith that helped get me here. And I’ll go to church!
 

elmarna

Well-Known Member
i tend to think - IF it exisixts that that a course of action will be insisted upon & there will be NO FREE WILL.
 

javajo

Well-Known Member
While I take my beliefs from the Bible, it has been interesting to read and watch videos of people describing near death experiences. Those who went to Heaven did not want to come back to earth, but those who went to Hell wanted desperately to be resuscitated. Very sobering as well, the death bed quotes of the great skeptics and atheists who so viciously attacked Christianity:

Atheists' Famous Last Words (From Gabriel's Trumpet)

M.F. Rich: "Terrible horrors hang over my soul! I have given my immortality for gold; and its weight sinks me into a hopeless, helpless Hell!"

Thomas Paine: "I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. O Lord, help me! Lord JESUS CHRIST help me! . . No, don't leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one."

Sir Thomas Scott: "Until this moment, I thought there was neither God nor hell; now I know and feel that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty!"

Sir Francis Newport, the head of an English infidel club: "You need not tell me there is no God for I know there is one, and that I am in His presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell!"

The last words of the atheist Mirabeau: "My sufferings are intolerable; I have within me a hundred years of life but not a moment's courage. Give me more laudanum that I may not think of eternity."

Gibbon, the historian, a skeptic: "The present is a fleeting moment, the past is no more, and my prospect of futurity is dark and doubtful."

Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."

Thomas Hobbs: "I say again, if I had the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark with no redeemer to save me!"

Voltaire: "I have swallowed smoke. I have allowed my head to be turned by the incense of lies. I am abandoned by God and man; I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months' life." (He said this to Dr. Fochin, who told him it could not be done.) "Then I shall die and go to hell!" (Voltaire's nurse said for all the wealth in Europe she would never watch an infidel die.)

Robert Ingersoll: "Oh God, whom I have spent a life time denying.... Save my soul, from hell!"

Severus / Roman Emperor: "I have been everything and everything is nothing!

Thomas Carlyle: "I am as good as without hope. A sad old man gazing into the final chasm alone."

Aldamont the skeptic: "My principles have poisoned me, my friends...my extravagance has beggared my boy, my unkindness has murdered my wife, and yet there is still HELL awaiting me ahead in the darkness..."

Ghandi: 15 years before his death said..."I must tell you Hinduism satisfies my Soul. I find solace in the Bhagavad and the Upanishads." Just before his death he said..."My days are numbered. For the first time in the 50 years of my life I fear that I may have been wrong. All around me is darkness. I am praying for light..."

Sir Thomas Scott / Chancellor of England: "Until this very moment I thought there was no GOD, and no Hell. Now, I know for certain that there are both and I am doomed by Divine Justice to an Eternal Hell."

Edward Gibbon / Famous Author: "All is dark. All is in doubt."

Mazarin / French Cardinal: I have lived, as I should not have, and now what is to become of my poor befouled soul?

Sir Francis Newport / Skeptic: "I know I am lost forever. Oh the fires of HELL burn hot and I can already feel their flames licking about me. Oh, the insufferable pangs of HELL..."
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
While I take my beliefs from the Bible, it has been interesting to read and watch videos of people describing near death experiences. Those who went to Heaven did not want to come back to earth, but those who went to Hell wanted desperately to be resuscitated. Very sobering as well, the death bed quotes of the great skeptics and atheists who so viciously attacked Christianity:

Atheists' Famous Last Words (From Gabriel's Trumpet)

Thomas Paine: "I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. O Lord, help me! Lord JESUS CHRIST help me! . . No, don't leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one."

Where did Thomas Paine ever say that?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Westy,
I just finished ...Historic Americans.....
A lot of the same...but also interesting...
I am convinced totally with the testamony given,
that Payne did not ever recant....but the nutcases around him lied.
~
A paraphrase:
"I will believe none of that....and goodbye...."
Thomas Payne
~
Just my take on the matter.
~
`mud
 
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