So what is "Marriage"?

[may]

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The first human wedding was performed by Jehovah, as described at Genesis 2:22-24.

And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.​

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Then the man said:




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"This is at last bone of my bones​

And flesh of my flesh.​

This one will be called Woman,​

Because from man this one was taken."​

24 That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife

Or, "woman."

and they must become one flesh.

(Mark 10:9) Therefore what God yoked together let no man put apart.

In reply he(Jesus) said: "Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart. matthew 19;4-6 As Jesus pointed out ,it was not Adam, but Jehovah that said a man will leave his parents , so God made the marrage arrangement

(Ephesians 5:31) "For this reason a man will leave [his] father and [his] mother and he will stick to his wife, and the two will become one flesh
monogamy was the original standard for marriage in the eyes of Jehovah God

 

[Bishka]

I believe that marriage is a between a man and a woman, and that marriages can be for eternity. I believe though, that one has to have the proper authority to bind a couple together for all of time and eternity.

I believe marriage was instituted by God.

 

[fromthe heart]

OH...ok I see what you are saying...what process did they use to engage in marriage. (Thank You PrisonieroDeDios for listing the verse for me that I spoke of)...I apoligize for missing the jest of the question. I don't think it gives one specifically as such probably wasn't important in God's way for man and woman...I would imagine as long as it was a coming together respectfully it was however the families saw fit for the young woman and man to be joined before the Lord. It could have just been witnessed by all according to each's custom.


I'm sorry to run on so badly but I don't have the answer you seek from a scriptural standpoint...It may be that the only reason we have anything pointing to marriage at all is so we are aware that God wants us to know that those whom HE has joined respectfully which it does say man and woman in the principals OF marriage was to inform how we were to treat each other as man and wife.I can only point you to these but I think you probably know where these are that I speak of in 1 Corinthians.

In Matthew 22 it speaks of what was done prior to the marriage see verse 4...I'm not even sure that this one speaks well of the marriage since it's mostly a parable of a wedding feast and not the wedding itself. Even Matthew 19 is more on the rules of marriage see 4-9...Matthew 5 also speaks only of the rules of marriage and not the ceremony itself.

So what do you think the point should be in all this? You were making some point yes??? Or where you hoping for someone to find an actual ceremony?

 

[Flappycat]

I also challenge anyone to find anything in there about state marriage licenses.

 

[wmam]

So what do you think the point should be in all this? You were making some point yes??? Or where you hoping for someone to find an actual ceremony?

Patience is golden.

 

[wmam]

There is nothing that tells how a man and a woman were married other than YAH our Elohim joined them. Now are we to understand this joining as merely the two meeting and finding each other interesting enough to feel that they can spend the rest of their life together or is this joining to do with sex?

There are more questions on this subject but I would rather submit them one at a time. I feel we get a better and broader reply base when we look at things slowly.

 

[wmam]

I also challenge anyone to find anything in there about state marriage licenses.

Thats easy..................... No, there is no state marriage licenses requirements in all the Scriptures. But there is in NC for any type of civil recognition. But this has nothing to do with this thread and I suggest if you are willing to discuss the reasons, and in's and out's, on this type topic then please feel free to start your own thread on such.

 

[sojourner]

I think that the definition of what it means to be married, and the ceremonies by which a marriage is "solemnized" have varied widely from culture to culture throughout history. Some common denominators of marriage appear to be (in no particular order): 1) procreation, 2) companionship, 3) stability, 4) support (both financial and emoional). The reasons change from culture to culture, according to need.

I don't think there are any ceremonies, per se, on record. There appears to be (in many cultures) the presence of some "authority" to witness and solemnize the occasion, while in other cultures, it appears to be a very private thing, between the partners. Some cultures that recognize marriage do not particularly believe in a deity.

Maybe, outside of specific cultural and religious tradition, what defines marriage is two people who desire to live together in an intimate relationship.

 

[Quiddity]

Good read for those interested:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09707a.htm

 

[wmam]

I think that the definition of what it means to be married, and the ceremonies by which a marriage is "solemnized" have varied widely from culture to culture throughout history. Some common denominators of marriage appear to be (in no particular order): 1) procreation, 2) companionship, 3) stability, 4) support (both financial and emoional). The reasons change from culture to culture, according to need.

I don't think there are any ceremonies, per se, on record. There appears to be (in many cultures) the presence of some "authority" to witness and solemnize the occasion, while in other cultures, it appears to be a very private thing, between the partners. Some cultures that recognize marriage do not particularly believe in a deity.

Maybe, outside of specific cultural and religious tradition, what defines marriage is two people who desire to live together in an intimate relationship.

Again I ask that you stay within the OP.

"Marriage as described by Scriptures? "

I am full aware, or at least as I care to be, of any so called marriage rituals of that outside of Scriptures. I am, however, only interested in that from Scriptures.

Respectfully,
Thank you

 

[Popeyesays]

What is Baha`i marriage?
"Praise be to God, the Ancient, the Ever-Abiding, the Changeless, the Eternal! He Who hath testified in His Own Being that verily He is 104 the One, the Single, the Untrammelled, the Exalted. We bear witness that verily there is no God but Him, acknowledging His oneness, confessing His singleness. He hath ever dwelt in unapproachable heights, in the summits of His loftiness, sanctified from the mention of aught save Himself, free from the description of aught but Him.
And when He desired to manifest grace and beneficence to men, and to set the world in order, He revealed observances and created laws; among them He established the law of marriage, made it as a fortress for well-being and salvation, and enjoined it upon us in that which was sent down out of the heaven of sanctity in His Most Holy Book. He saith, great is His glory: "Marry, O people, that from you may appear he who will remember Me amongst My servants; this is one of My commandments unto you; obey it as an assistance to yourselves."
- Bahá'u'lláh
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 103)

Regards,
Scott

 

[wmam]

Good read for those interested:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09707a.htm

Thanks Victor. I'm still searching for more of the OT version though. Thanks again.

 

[wmam]

What is Baha`i marriage?
"Praise be to God, the Ancient, the Ever-Abiding, the Changeless, the Eternal! He Who hath testified in His Own Being that verily He is 104 the One, the Single, the Untrammelled, the Exalted. We bear witness that verily there is no God but Him, acknowledging His oneness, confessing His singleness. He hath ever dwelt in unapproachable heights, in the summits of His loftiness, sanctified from the mention of aught save Himself, free from the description of aught but Him.
And when He desired to manifest grace and beneficence to men, and to set the world in order, He revealed observances and created laws; among them He established the law of marriage, made it as a fortress for well-being and salvation, and enjoined it upon us in that which was sent down out of the heaven of sanctity in His Most Holy Book. He saith, great is His glory: "Marry, O people, that from you may appear he who will remember Me amongst My servants; this is one of My commandments unto you; obey it as an assistance to yourselves."
- Bahá'u'lláh
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 103)

Regards,
Scott

But where does it say how?

 

[wmam]

Also ...... what of this "joining"........ What does it mean? Is it just being together or is there more to it?

 

[Popeyesays]

But where does it say how?

How what? The vows? Betrothal and ceremony? what exactly?

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

Also ...... what of this "joining"........ What does it mean? Is it just being together or is there more to it?

The quote didn't say "joining" it said "enjoined".
Main Entry: en·join javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?enjoin01.wav=enjoin')
Pronunciation: in-'join, en-
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French enjoindre, from Latin injungere, from in- + jungere to join -- more at Yoke
1 : to direct or impose by authoritative order or with urgent admonition <enjoined us to be careful>
Merriam Webster Dictionary

Regards,
Scott

 

[sojourner]

Again I ask that you stay within the OP.

"Marriage as described by Scriptures? "

I am full aware, or at least as I care to be, of any so called marriage rituals of that outside of Scriptures. I am, however, only interested in that from Scriptures.

Respectfully,
Thank you

If your question was with regard to the actual logistics of the ceremony, I don't think that, in the Bible. there is any record of "how people got married." There are parables and pericopes that describe a feast, that describe bridesmaids with lamps, outside the house, waiting for the arrival of the groom. apparently, wine is part of the feast. But I don't recall a ceremony or liturgy being laid out scripturally.

If your question was with regard to the nature and intent of marriage, as it is defined Biblically, marriage signifies to us the mystery of the union between Christ and his Church. God intended this union of two people for their mutual joy, for help and comfort, and, when it is God's will, for procreation.

 

[wmam]

How what? The vows? Betrothal and ceremony? what exactly?

Regards,
Scott

As well as..................

If your question was with regard to the actual logistics of the ceremony, I don't think that, in the Bible. there is any record of "how people got married." There are parables and pericopes that describe a feast, that describe bridesmaids with lamps, outside the house, waiting for the arrival of the groom. apparently, wine is part of the feast. But I don't recall a ceremony or liturgy being laid out scripturally.

If your question was with regard to the nature and intent of marriage, as it is defined Biblically, marriage signifies to us the mystery of the union between Christ and his Church. God intended this union of two people for their mutual joy, for help and comfort, and, when it is God's will, for procreation.

Yes. ........... How is man to marry woman? Where does it state how they are married? I find it to say they are joined by YAH in my Scriptures. This is why I ask of this joining. What specifically is it? Are men only to be with women that YAH joins us to, and if so, how will we know which ones are the right one's? Are men just to find a woman that will either put up with him, or the other way around, for what they both deem to be forever and just say ......."Hey, we are married."? If Scripturally, there is no mention of how then I can only assume that it is enough to say only that you are to those around you?

 

[Popeyesays]

As well as..................


Yes. ........... How is man to marry woman? Where does it state how they are married? I find it to say they are joined by YAH in my Scriptures. This is why I ask of this joining. What specifically is it? Are men only to be with women that YAH joins us to, and if so, how will we know which ones are the right one's? Are men just to find a woman that will either put up with him, or the other way around, for what they both deem to be forever and just say ......."Hey, we are married."? If Scripturally, there is no mention of how then I can only assume that it is enough to say only that you are to those around you?

Well, marriage is defined in the Baha`i Faith by Baha`i law and scripture. I don't think you really have an interest in looking at the scripture of other religions; so, is there any point in my responding in detail?

Regards,
Scott

 

[sojourner]

As well as..................


Yes. ........... How is man to marry woman? Where does it state how they are married? I find it to say they are joined by YAH in my Scriptures. This is why I ask of this joining. What specifically is it? Are men only to be with women that YAH joins us to, and if so, how will we know which ones are the right one's? Are men just to find a woman that will either put up with him, or the other way around, for what they both deem to be forever and just say ......."Hey, we are married."? If Scripturally, there is no mention of how then I can only assume that it is enough to say only that you are to those around you?

Well, I think you're making it a lot more "magical," if you will, than it is really conceptualized by most people and most cultures. If the account you're speaking of is the Genesis account of Adam and Eve, then you have to realize that I and many other Christians (as well as Jews) view the creation story as wholly metaphorical. The story in Genesis, to us, isn't like a recipe book for "how to make a marriage." it's a story outlining how those who believe in God see God at work in the endeavor of marriage.

For the faithful, it's important, nay, essential to celebrate the marriage before God, and with the blessing of God, as it is bestowed by the ecclesia, the human agent of God in the world. It's important for the faithful to recall how we believe God has ordained marriage to be. Because we believe that God ordained marriage as I laid out in my last post, we believe that it is important to enter into the marriage promises from that formulative basis.

I don't think that God really cares precisely how we go about doing that -- different cultures and traditions celebrate differently the union of marriage. I suspect that, before there were organized churches, before there was an established priesthood, marriage was a lot like primitive tribal marriage -- simply acknowledged before the community.

I don't think God chooses a specific mate for us that we have to find. I think God may put certain people in our path, any number of which would make good marriage partners. But, I also think that God understands and allows for individual taste, interests, and personalities, and I think that God allows for free will. If the faithful approach a possible marriage from the perspective that marriage is ordained by God, etc. etc., then they will make choices that are going to be compatible with that perspective.

Does that help?