So you say I don't understand Evolution. Really?

[Kirran]

Most will be stuff in junk DNA.

There's got to be a lot, or DNA fingerprinting wouldn't work.

 

[Ouroboros]

Most will be stuff in junk DNA.

There's got to be a lot, or DNA fingerprinting wouldn't work.

It used to be thought that identical twins have identical DNA, but they don't (Scientific America). Twins do have slightly different DNA, because of copy errors.

I even read somewhere that our DNA isn't the same when we're older because of transcription errors, but I haven't confirmed that part.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I hope no one on here has said that. Evolution has many poor designs that engineers would have designed much better. e.g.

• Why design the human throat that has to be both for breathing and eating and drinking - increasing chances of chocking.
• What is the appendix for in humans?
• Why do flightless birds have wings?
• The route of the laryngeal nerve in the case of the giraffe!!
• Various vestigial body parts, like the femur and pelvis in whales

This sort of 'bad design' goes a long way to proving that evolution id NOT controlled by intelligence but by random mutations and natural selection.

Volcanoes, Earthquakes, Meteors used to be arguments for bad design also, until we realized they were integral to life on Earth-

there will always be things we don't understand, who's purpose science has not illuminated that we can cite as 'bad design' - that's atheism of the gaps

 

[Kirran]

It used to be thought that identical twins have identical DNA, but they don't (Scientific America). Twins do have slightly different DNA, because of copy errors.

I even read somewhere that our DNA isn't the same when we're older because of transcription errors, but I haven't confirmed that part.

Are you sure transcription is the right word there?

 

[Ouroboros]

Are you sure transcription is the right word there?

I think so. What's your thoughts on it?

 

[Kirran]

I think so. What's your thoughts on it?

Well transcription is the process by which RNA is produced with DNA as a template. RNA bears the same code as DNA. It is used as the template by which proteins are then produced. So I don't see how transcription errors would impact the genome.

Only possibility I can think of is that this refers to reverse transcription carried out by viral infective agents.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Volcanoes, Earthquakes, Meteors used to be arguments for bad design also, until we realized they were integral to life on Earth-

In what way?

Also, couldn't God have created a form of life that didn't also require the existence of natural calamities that kill thousands and thousands of people?

 

[Ouroboros]

Well transcription is the process by which RNA is produced with DNA as a template. RNA bears the same code as DNA. It is used as the template by which proteins are then produced. So I don't see how transcription errors would impact the genome.

Oh. That's true. What's the process called again when the DNA is copied for cell division? I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

[Kirran]

Oh. That's true. What's the process called again when the DNA is copied for cell division? I'm too lazy to look it up.

Well, DNA replication I guess.

Mitosis is the process as it refers to the division of diploid cells to produce diploid cells with the same genotype. That?

 

[Ouroboros]

In what way?

Also, couldn't God have created a form of life that didn't also require the existence of natural calamities that kill thousands and thousands of people?

And why do we have to kill animals or plants to feed ourselves? Like someone suggested earlier, God could have given us the ability to directly harvest energy from the sun. Charge at day and work. Sleep at night. Would make sense. And simple.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

In what way?

Also, couldn't God have created a form of life that didn't also require the existence of natural calamities that kill thousands and thousands of people?

by delivering vital elements, nutrients to earth and atmosphere, remaking new land, separating continents for diversity etc etc.. not really controversial

and yes he could of, and he did- he created a world that still exists for life on Earth, with no fear no grieving, no sorrow or challenges of any kind- for Jellyfish, and likewise no joy, love, triumph, glory either- would you trade?

 

[Kirran]

by delivering vital elements, nutrients to earth and atmosphere, remaking new land, separating continents for diversity etc etc.. not really controversial

and yes he could of, and he did- he created a world that still exists for life on Earth, with no fear no grieving, no sorrow or challenges of any kind- for Jellyfish, and likewise no joy, love, triumph, glory either- would you trade?

I honestly think it's possible to live without famine and cancer, while still not being equivalent to a jellyfish.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

by delivering vital elements, nutrients to earth and atmosphere, remaking new land, separating continents for diversity etc etc.. not really controversial

Again, why would God make life that requires those things?

and yes he could of, and he did- he created a world that still exists for life on Earth, with no fear no grieving, no sorrow or challenges of any kind- for Jellyfish, and likewise no joy, love, triumph, glory either- would you trade?

So you're saying that it's impossible for God, a supposedly omnipotent, all-knowing, omniscient entity with complete control over all the laws of reality, to create a life free of suffering that isn't.... Jellyfish?

Are you serious?

 

[outhouse]

Volcanoes, Earthquakes, Meteors used to be arguments for bad design also

By who exactly? only theist follow design

that's atheism of the gaps

Nope typical god of the gaps

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Again, why would God make life that requires those things?


So you're saying that it's impossible for God, a supposedly omnipotent, all-knowing, omniscient entity with complete control over all the laws of reality, to create a life free of suffering that isn't.... Jellyfish?

Are you serious?

Yes, but that's called heaven.

 

[Kirran]

Let's

Yes, but that's called heaven.

Why is it not possible to have that here, and skip having it somewhere else?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yes, but that's called heaven.

So it's impossible for God to have created a world that isn't heaven that people live their lives in without the requirement of suffering?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I honestly think it's possible to live without famine and cancer, while still not being equivalent to a jellyfish.

there could be shades of grey of course (if I can still use that term!) but it's all relative.

but take famine, how do you remove it? remove any possibility that any farming techniques could ever fail?

It is possible to live without famine, but that's up to us

where do you stop, make every day sunny and 70, it doesn't hurt when you stick your finger in a fire?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

So it's impossible for God to have created a world that isn't heaven that people live their lives in without the requirement of suffering?

yes, they wouldn't be people by any definition we are familiar with, you'd take away the good with the bad- no more empathy, caring, cherishing life to the extent we appreciate it is fragile and fleeting.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Let's


Why is it not possible to have that here, and skip having it somewhere else?

because again, there is no good without bad/ evil- the terms literally define each other. Heaven- a perfect world, can only exist as a concept relative to an imperfect world, yes?