Socialism in the U.S.

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ah!
I was being thick.
I thought you did mean it.

Yeah, I notice that the internet is riddled with contentious ideas about Hitler. I like the one about Hitler being a True Christian best.

I remember how the US was paranoid about the word 'commie' back in the 50s. If you wanted to do some real damage to someone, just hint that they were a commie.

It's still very much the mindset among many today, hence our Usual Suspects who constantly declare anyone and anything they disagree with "socialist" without any apparent understanding of the meaning of the term.

 

[oldbadger]

Oh I don't disagree. It's clear however the extremes are definitely leaning incrementally further left into socialists territory and arguably beyond that.

I'm against the permanency of the Patriot Act and was incredibly shocking to discover that over 60 Fortune 500 companies paid less tax (meaning zero, ziltch nada) then a single person working on minimum wage and made it known here.

If the right enters extreme territory, I'll certainly holler about it as much as I do with the left.

Fair enough.
In the UK many moderate socialists are frightened of Jeremy Corbyn's socialism, but he does seem to be surging forward at this time.

These days I vote for a person rather than which party they belong to.

 

[oldbadger]

It's still very much the mindset among many today, hence our Usual Suspects who constantly declare anyone and anything they disagree with "socialist" without any apparent understanding of the meaning of the term.

There must be a whole bunch of political '''kill' terms for doing damage to any opponents. Trouble is, the public can be so auto-prejudiced so easily.

It sure takes guys to choose politics for a job, I reckon.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I love it!

You think that Nazis were communists?

Wow...........

I wondered if you'd catch the humor.
National Socialist Party wasn't pure socialism, but government
did exert enormous control over the means of production.

 

[Enoch07]

Che was no racist.

The facts say otherwise.

 

[Enoch07]

Why not? You sure seem happy to forget the far right terrorists that do so.

Whataboutism will do you no good here sir.

 

[Woberts]

The facts say otherwise.

Actually, they don't.

 

[Enoch07]

If you think that Stalin was a socialist then you need to look up the internet definition for 'daft'.

Hitler, Marx, Stalin, doesn't matter all the same brand of tryrant.

 

[Woberts]

Hitler, Marx, Stalin, doesn't matter all the same brand of tryrant.

How was Marx a tyrant? The man wrote some books, and died.

 

[Enoch07]

jesus was a communist.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sellthat thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luke 18:22
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

Jesus wasn't a Marxist. Marxism didn't exist yet.

 

[oldbadger]

I wondered if you'd catch the humor.
National Socialist Party wasn't pure socialism, but government
did exert enormous control over the means of production.

I don't do humour on Saturdays.
Socialism isn't really about words and titles, it's about actions.

 

[Enoch07]

How was Marx a tyrant? The man wrote some books, and died.

He created an ideology that led to the starvation, death and oppression of millions of people. A tyrant/monster/whatevs suits him just the same.

 

[oldbadger]

Hitler, Marx, Stalin, doesn't matter all the same brand of tryrant.

Yes.
Tyrants all.

Let's call it Tyranny, rather than anything else.

 

[Enoch07]

Actually, they don't.

Actually they do. I even cited them for all to enjoy. Just because you had a commie college professor lie to you about Che doesn't mean that erases reality.

 

[Enoch07]

Yes.
Tyrants all.

Let's call it Tyranny, rather than anything else.

Glad to see you come on board!

 

[Woberts]

Actually they do. I even cited them for all to enjoy. Just because you had a commie college professor lie to you about Che doesn't mean that erases reality.

Your sources are lying. Citing something does not make it true.

 

[Fool]

Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

Jesus wasn't a Marxist. Marxism didn't exist yet.

i didn't say that. i said jesus was a communist. he advocated communalism. you cannot serve love and money, or love and power.



Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible (in the Acts of the Apostles)[1] suggests that the first Christians, including the apostles, established their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection.[1] As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the apostles themselves.[2]Some independent historians confirm it.

 

[Enoch07]

Your sources are lying. Citing something does not make it true.

This is well known. So yeah sorry you are offended but the truth hurts sometimes.

 

[Enoch07]

i didn't say that. i said jesus was a communist. he advocated communalism. you cannot serve love and money, or love and power.

Starving millions to death is not love.

Jesus fed people. So therefore he is not a communist.

Communist "re-educate" (kick their teeth in) people that disagree with them.

The worst Jesus ever did was chase a tax man with a whip, can you blame Him? So He was not a communist.

Communism is about manipulating the desperate into handing over all their rights, labor, dignity, and money for the (false) promise of security and prosperity.

Jesus gave love and only ask for love in return. He was not a communist.

 

[Woberts]

This is well known. So yeah sorry you are offended but the truth hurts sometimes.

No, it's not well known. That's because it's false. Che was one of the greatest men to walk this Earth, if not the greatest.