Socialists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved

[Terrywoodenpic]

Less religion = Good

And highly socialist with the most public ownership in Europe with taxes increasing rapidly the more you earn., on top of a wealth tax.
And the home of Sissel a great singer, who was the youngest knight ever elevated by the king. (Women in Norway can be knights)

With swinging taxes on Alcohol and tobacco for even more fun.

 

[Revoltingest]

And highly socialist with the most public ownership in Europe with taxes increasing rapidly the more you earn., on top of a wealth tax.
And the home of Sissel a great singer, who was the youngest knight ever elevated by the king. (Women in Norway can be knights)

With swinging taxes on Alcohol and tobacco for even more fun.

Atheism & capitalism go together
like anchovies & pizza.

 

[Heyo]

Do you believe there is one?

Yes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes.

Please describe it.

 

[Heyo]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with many western countries,
eg, Canuckistan, USA, Norway, Switzerland. They're
capitalist, & not a dictatorship.

For the US, that might change in three months.
But even if it doesn't change formally, there is still the fact that corporations have much more influence on politics than the electorate. An informal dictatorship.

Wow!
You've been listening to me!
It finally sunk in!

We have agreed on that point almost from the beginning.

 

[Revoltingest]

For the US, that might change in three months.

It's always a risk in any country.
And at the moment, our risk has lessened
somewhat with the exit of Genocide Joe.

But even if it doesn't change formally, there is still the fact that corporations have much more influence on politics than the electorate. An informal dictatorship.

Influence = Dictatorship?
Yours is a world of histrionics & extremes.
I prefer corporations having some power,
& not letting government have too much.
Europeans see it differently....apparently
in love with being tightly governed.

 

[Heyo]

It's always a risk in any country.
And at the moment, our risk has lessened
somewhat with the exit of Genocide Joe.

Influence = Dictatorship?
Yours is a world of histrionics & extremes.
I prefer corporations having some power,
& not letting government have too much.
Europeans see it differently....apparently
in love with being tightly governed.

The difference between a government and a corporation is that I can vote for my government.

 

[Revoltingest]

The difference between a government and a corporation is that I can vote for my government.

The biggest difference is that I can eschew doing
business with a corporation. But a government
has me in its firm grip for life. It can draft me,
tax me, prosecute me, imprison me, fine me,
& rob me....all with impunity.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with many western countries,
eg, Canuckistan, USA, Norway, Switzerland. They're
capitalist, & not a dictatorship.

Wow!
You've been listening to me!
It finally sunk in!

Norway is the most socialist country in Europe.

 

[Revoltingest]

Norway is the most socialist country in Europe.

Why do socialist fanboys always cite "socialist"
countries that are capitalist? Never socialist
countries that aren't capitalist, eg, N Korea.

 

[Estro Felino]

Atheism & capitalism go together
like anchovies & pizza.

This is s big lie.
Marx was an atheist.
Mussolini was an atheist.
Andrea Costa was an atheist.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is s big lie.
Marx was an atheist.
Mussolini was an atheist.
Andrea Costa was an atheist.

Must I trot out the good "Gott mit uns" Christian,
Adolf Hitler, leading exponent of National Socialism?
And who's committing genocide in Gaza right now?
Your good Christians & Jews are slaughtering lesser
humans..."Muslims" / "Arabs".

Atheism is identical to every religion in a singular way....
It's no guarantee that a person will be either good or evil.

Oh, you fervent believers. You find some bad
apples in a basket of atheists, & think that
defines the whole crop.
I'm an atheist. I like liberty. Capitalism
affords this freedom like no other economic
system ever devised. Certainly better than
socialism's record of 100% oppression & woe.

 

[Yerda]

Why do socialist fanboys always cite "socialist"
countries that are capitalist? Never socialist
countries that aren't capitalist, eg, N Korea.

I would agree that Norway is capitalist - just a good example of how capitalist economics can be made to work better for the people of a country (than examples like the USA).

I wouldn't consider N Korea to be socialist either.

In response to the title, I don't want anyone to be enslaved. I don't know any socialist who considers slavery as part of the ideal. Not wanting to recreate the Soviet Union doesn't mean a person isn't a socialist.

 

[Estro Felino]

Must I trot out the good "Gott mit uns" Christian,
Adolf Hitler, leading exponent of National Socialism?

Gott can mean any deity.
Even Wotan, the Germanic god.
And by the way....Eichmann defined himself as Gottgläubiger, pointing out that he was no Christian.
But if you know a Nazi in the Nuremberg process that wanted to see a priest before being executed...tell me. Enlighten me.
They were either atheists or believers in some deistic principles or Germanic deities.

And who's committing genocide in Gaza right now?
Your good Christians & Jews are slaughtering lesser
humans..."Muslims" / "Arabs".

Christians are not a monolith.
I disapprove of the Gazan War.

I'm an atheist. I like liberty. Capitalism
affords this freedom like no other economic
system ever devised. Certainly better than
socialism's record of 100% oppression & woe.

Who has ever denied oppression?
Bankers need to be persecuted by the State...through merciless taxation.

That's progress since banker Stringher was thrown out of the window in 1930.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would agree that Norway is capitalist - just a good example of how capitalist economics can be made to work better for the people of a country (than examples like the USA).

Nothing fuels useful social benefits better
than taxes paid on income generated in a
capitalist economy.

I wouldn't consider N Korea to be socialist either.

They have a market economy?

In response to the title, I don't want anyone to be enslaved.

The title is merely an echo of another thread.

I don't know any socialist who considers slavery as part of the ideal.

What fans of socialism say is very much
at odds with the reality of socialism's record
in the real world, eg, USSR, Khmer Rouge,
China (pre-capitalism), N Korea.
All exhibit something far more coercive than
the "wage slavery" claimed by our pinko friends.

Not wanting to recreate the Soviet Union doesn't mean a person isn't a socialist.

Whuh?

 

[Revoltingest]

Gott can mean any deity.

"Gott" (like "God") is the proper name for the Christian god.
Hitler was a Christian from a Christian background.
He wasn't referring to Ahura Mazda, Zeus, Lakshmi, etc.
So you "good Christians" own Hitler as one of your own.
This must sting, because he's proof positive that the
religion doesn't guarantee that a Christian will
inevitably be a good person.

 

[Estro Felino]

"Gott" (like "God") is the proper name for the Christian god.
Hitler was a Christian from a Christian background.

He was not a Christian.
Neither from birth, nor from choice.

He lived in a highly Catholic environment, but that doesn't make you a Christian.

He wasn't referring to Ahura Mazda, Zeus, Lakshmi, etc.
So you "good Christians" own Hitler as one of your own.

I am convinced that Americans hired the Nazis to defeat and conquer Russia on their behalf....each of us has their own convictions.

This must sting, because he's proof positive that the
religion doesn't guarantee that a Christian will
inevitably be a good person.

I am the first to say that there are so many evil Christians.
Especially in the Vatican.

 

[Revoltingest]

He was not a Christian.

Invoking the no-true-Scotsman?
I don't buy it.
Hitler is one of yours....as is Putin....as is Trump.
What a triumvirate of terror, eh.

 

[Estro Felino]

Invoking the no-true-Scotsman?
I don't buy it.
Hitler is one of yours....as is Putin....as is Trump.
What a triumvirate of terror, eh.

Even the Neo-Cons craving for war are Christians...

 

[Heyo]

Why do socialist fanboys always cite "socialist"
countries that are capitalist? Never socialist
countries that aren't capitalist, eg, N Korea.

Because, as I stated already, it isn't so much about left or right but about authoritarianism versus liberty. All your preferred examples are dictatorships. What the "socialist fanboys" want is a democratic socialism, with a social democracy being the next best thing. And the Scandinavian countries are examples of social democracies.