Some Insight Into What Cops In My Area Are Like

[Subduction Zone]

Perhaps you watch too few videos.
Many drivers have had more than 2 drinks.

Yes, you did not get the sarcasm. A BAV of 0.08% is clearly more than two drinks. Any time that an officer pulls someone over the claim is goinng to be two drinks. It is a running gag with drunk driving videos.

https://www.michigan.gov/msp/divisions/ohsp/safety-programs/Impaired-Driving/impaired-driving-law

Excerpted....
It is a crime for a driver to have a bodily alcohol content (BAC) of .08 or greater if over age 21 or .02 or greater if under 21. In addition, Michigan has a high-BAC law with enhanced penalties for anyone caught driving with a BAC of .17 or higher.

When I become dictator, her interlock would be for life.
This would be after she gets out of prison for drunk driving.

Yep, like I said, for underaged drivers the laws are much harsher. Though when I went to college I never drank illegally. I was a perfect angel Of course it helped that the drinking age was 18.

 

[YmirGF]

You know, being a police officer IS a privileged position in our society because the position comes with real power over other citizens. Given human nature, I'm not sure why we would not expect members of police forces to take advantage of their positions. It's what people do! About the only way to mitigate this I can think of is to have a mandatory psych eval every 2–3 years.

Given that cops are continually dealing with the less social elements of society, it shouldn't be a huge surprise when they start exhibiting similar behaviours. I can see this constant exposure to negative experiences could erode a person's sense of morality. To my thinking, it's not a huge stretch.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, you did not get the sarcasm.

Mmmmmf....whuh?

A BAV of 0.08% is clearly more than two drinks. Any time that an officer pulls someone over the claim is goinng to be two drinks. It is a running gag with drunk driving videos.

I've watched the claim change from no drinks to 1 drink to 2 drinks to.....& so on.

Yep, like I said, for underaged drivers the laws are much harsher. Though when I went to college I never drank illegally. I was a perfect angel Of course it helped that the drinking age was 18.

I have never driven after having recently had a drink of alcohol.
If I do drink, I never drive the same day.
Dang...I sound paranoid...or obsessive.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know, being a police officer IS a privileged position in our society because the position comes with real power over other citizens. Given human nature, I'm not sure why we would not expect members of police forces to take advantage of their positions. It's what people do! About the only way to mitigate this I can think of is to have a mandatory psych eval every 2–3 years.

Given that cops are continually dealing with the less social elements of society, it shouldn't be a huge surprise when they start exhibiting similar behaviours. I can see this constant exposure to negative experiences could erode a person's sense of morality. To my thinking, it's not a huge stretch.

The important thing is to not tolerate a cop's
descent into immorality & unethical behavior.

 

[YmirGF]

The important thing is to not tolerate a cop's
descent into immorality & unethical behavior.

I agree --- but --- how, exactly? Short of major oversite and psych evals, anything we can do is remedial. Am I missing something?

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree --- but --- how, exactly? Short of major oversite and psych evals, anything we can do is remedial. Am I missing something?

A partial list...
- Illegal for cops to turn off body cameras.
- Illegal for cops to prevent recording them.
- Illegal for cops to not serve the public.
- Illegal for a cop to work in law enforcement if ever found
unsuitable, eg, DUI, felony, perjury, civil rights violation.
- End qualified & absolute immunity.
- Require all cops to carry liability insurance.
- Require all body camera footage be made quickly &
completely available for free.
- Raise standards: Recruiting, hiring, training, conduct, accountability.
- Augment cops with mental health workers.
- Independent authority to investigate & arrest cops.
- Swift arrest & trials for cops who violate rights & laws.
- Raise pay to get a better qualified pool of applicants.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Mmmmmf....whuh?

I've watched the claim change from no drinks to 1 drink to 2 drinks to.....& so on.

I have never driven after having recently had a drink of alcohol.
If I do drink, I never drive the same day.
Dang...I sound paranoid...or obsessive.

Could be. When I went to college I did not have a car. Drinking and driving was never a problem. And no DUI's in my history. Drinking and driving need to be separate.

Though I do think that we could benefit from the French method. A BAV of .06% would be a very serious fine. A BAV of .1% (that is the equivalent of their 80 mg per 100 ml, would be a very serious (much more than we have) offense. If a person would lose their license for three years that could make a huge difference. I wonder what their policy is towards repeat offenders. And these days a cop does not even need to run a license to know if someone is suspended or under some sort of restriction. Many cop cars have license reading software these days. It can scan the cars around it as he drives and alert him when a potential violator is spotted. If you ever see some of the Parking Wars shows you can see it in action. They will have parking monitors that have wheel clamps in the back of their vans and they just drive on the city streets until a the computer alerts them to a repeat offender.

 

[Revoltingest]

12 year old kid takes out the trash.
Cop draws gun, handcuffs kid.
Body cam footage is incomplete....how convenient.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/08/12/12-year-old-handcuffed-michigan-mistaken-identity-rosales-vpx.cnn

 

[Revoltingest]

Man parks car, & drops off his kids at a gym.
He takes a walk on the sidewalk listening to a podcast.
Without investigation or identification, cops arrest him
on suspicion of breaking into cars, so violently that he
spends the nite in a hospital.
$10,000,000 suit filed.

Michigan man files $10M lawsuit against Keego Harbor police alleging racial profiling

A man said the Keego Harbor Police Department racially profiled him and he is filing a lawsuit.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[Revoltingest]

So you're driving in Detroit, doing nothing illegal.
But you're in an area that cops say have drug activity.
So they stop you, take your car, & leave you stranded on the roadside.
You've not been convicted or even suspected of any crime.
But if you want your car back, you must.....
- Pay the cops $900, or
- Sue to get your car back, spending typically $10,000, or
- Give up your car, & learn never to drive in areas where
the cops that your property is theirs.

No criminal charge? No problem! Michigan police can still take your car | Bridge Michigan

Civil forfeiture is meant to hit criminals in the pocketbook. But loopholes allow police to seize vehicles even when no charges result. Many are forced to pay $900 to get their cars back. Authorities collect millions in revenues.

www.bridgemi.com

State, local, & federal governments are getting many millions
every year by seizing money, cars, etc from innocent civilians.
(Stolen money is shared with the DEA. So you'll notice that
Biden is silent on such theft because of the benefit.)
We exist not to be served by them, but to fund them.

How Michigan makes $122M per year keeping unclaimed, missing money from residents | Bridge Michigan

Michigan holds — and has already spent most of — more than $2 billion that it does not technically own. It’s your money. And critics say the state should do more to give it back.

www.bridgemi.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Cops just hate civilians.
Especially those with personal problems.
The mistake this woman made was to call the cops for help.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's a good one....
Incompetent cop is pulling over random drivers,
hoping to find someone to arrest for DUI.
(This is illegal. But hey...who's gonna stop her.)

She stops one man, & gives him a breath test.
It shows a blood alcohol level of .02, which is
well under the .08 limit. The dumb cop reads
.02 as .22. She arrests the driver...while admitting
she doesn't know what she's doing. But the stakes
are low...it's just a civilian whose life could be
ruined....& he's only a foreigner (Japanese).

Later testing shows a level even lower....it's .01.
Perfectly legal. Man is suing cop ( Caitlyn Peca).
Judge rules that cop is a bonehead (in different
words) & has no immunity for such stupidity
(in different words).

Kudos to the judge for some rare sanity.
May the cop endure financial ruin for her
abusive incompetence.
Man accused of drunken driving can sue Michigan police officer who misread breath test

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's a good one....
Incompetent cop is pulling over random drivers,
hoping to find someone to arrest for DUI.
(This is illegal. But hey...who's gonna stop her.)

She stops one man, & gives him a breath test.
It shows a blood alcohol level of .02, which is
well under the .08 limit. The dumb cop reads
.02 as .22. She arrests the driver...while admitting
she doesn't know what she's doing. But the stakes
are low...it's just a civilian whose life could be
ruined....& he's just a foreigner (Japanese).

Later testing shows a level even lower....it's .01.
Perfectly legal. Man is suing cop ( Caitlyn Peca).
Judge rules that cop is a bonehead (in different
words) & has no immunity for such stupidity
(in different words).

Kudos to the judge for some rare sanity.
Man accused of drunken driving can sue Michigan police officer who misread breath test

I am for "qualified immunity". But I would greatly reduce the sort of errors that would excuse cops. That ruling appears to be misnamed right now. The police need some protection for honest mistakes that a rational person could have made. They should not be excused for irrational or prejudice based mistakes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am for "qualified immunity". But I would greatly reduce the sort of errors that would excuse cops. That ruling appears to be misnamed right now. The police need some protection for honest mistakes that a rational person could have made. They should not be excused for irrational or prejudice based mistakes.

Surgeons, farmers, engineers, etc have no qualified
immunity for their mistakes. A better approach for
cops would be to expect them to get insurance...just
like all of us civilians. Then they'd be better able to
compensate the people they victimize. And the
insurers would be the authority that holds cops
accountable, eg, requiring stringent hiring & training
standards. This would happen because government
would need to keep cop insurance affordable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Surgeons, farmers, engineers, etc have no qualified
immunity for their mistakes. A better approach for
cops would be to expect them to get insurance...just
like all of us civilians. Then they'd be better able to
compensate the people they victimize. And the
insurers would be the authority that holds cops
accountable, eg, requiring higher hiring & training
standards. This would happen because government
would need to keep cop insurance affordable.

Okay, this might work even better. All that I can say right now is that they system does need an overhaul.

 

[Revoltingest]

Cop is angry at an inmate.
So he sucker punches the victim.
The city of Warren is east of Revoltistan,
just north of Detroit.
The good news....
Cop is fired, being prosecuted, & being sued.
30 years in prison for the cop's multiple crimes
is possible, but unlikely.

 

[Revoltingest]

Drunken cop beats up his girlfriend.
He's charged for it, but not arrested.
Why?
He's still on the job as a cop (but he
can't carry a gun because he's too
dangerous). He can still harass,
beat, & arrest people.

For those interested...

 

[Revoltingest]

What happens when a MI cop drives to a
crime scene drunk as a skunk. Vomits a
couple times...&...mishandles his gun?
No DUI evaluation.
No arrest.
Not fired.
Not prosecuted.
Just a week suspension.

Police cruisers should sport the slogan...
"Rules for thee, but not for me".
For those interested....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What happens when a MI cop drives to a
crime seen^scene drunk as a skunk.

Fixed it.
Pigs drunk on the job, that should be a no brainer but the courts won't even make some bacon out of them when it happens.
Perhaps the cruisers should read: Neh neh neh neh neh neh ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 

[Stevicus]

Detroit pays $2M to settle latest lawsuit against troubled Sgt. hit with 85 complaints

The City of Detroit agreed to pay $2 million to settle a lawsuit filed against Sgt. Stephen Kue, a troubled officer who amassed an astonishing history of misconduct but was seldom disciplined.

www.wxyz.com

It marks at least the ninth lawsuit filed against Kue since he joined the department as a full-time officer in 2009.

More than his misconduct as an officer, Kriger said she was most appalled by the department’s indifference to it. Instead of being terminated — even after being found to have lied — Kue was promoted.

“This could not have gone on without people at every level, or members at every level, being complicit,” Kriger said.

Over a two-year investigation, WXYZ revealed Detroit police officers who stayed on the force after being found to have strangled women, left bruises on children and used racist language. They remained at DPD, along with Stephen Kue.

RELATED: These Detroit police officers abused women, children & citizens — and still kept their badges

“Sgt. Kue is still there,” Hurwitz said. “They’ve taken no steps to remedy the underlying problems that are ongoing with the department.”

Detroit police officials would argue that they have.

This points up a large part of the problem, when police departments fail to police their own, but there also appears to extremely little civilian oversight. This is not some small town in Texas. This is a major city with a Democratic government. They have complete control over their police departments, so the actions of the police are the reflection of the desires of the local government that has direct command over them.

I've never warmed up to the idea of "defunding" the police, but at the very least, they should be WATCHING the police. That's the bare minimum of what one might expect from one's elected officials.