Some miracles of the word Allah

[niceman20]

You may love your prophets and be upset with the correlation between a holy "sign" of Allah and a Optical illusion of Jesus on a dogs rear, but I can pretty much guarantee less people have been senselessly murdered over the Dog's Rear then have been over the teachings of the prophets you hold so dear. So which is more "holy" ?

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

The simple answer is: Absolutely the prophetic teachings are Holy to me. What else would you say on this?

 

[JayHawes]

Muslims should agree that Jesus is more Holier than Mohammed. Becuase Jesus was born of a virgin, and did no sin as many Moslems agree.

 

[TashaN]

Muslims should agree that Jesus is more Holier than Mohammed. Becuase Jesus was born of a virgin, and did no sin as many Moslems agree.

Nope, by your logic, Adam is holier than Jesys because Adam had no father and no mother, but Jesus had a mother.

Therefore, you should worship Adam as well.

 

[JayHawes]

Nope, by your logic, Adam is holier than Jesys because Adam had no father and no mother, but Jesus had a mother.

Therefore, you should worship Adam as well.

No. Jesus was sinless as you and I agree. Adam sinned, not because of birth parents but because of choice. Jesus being sinless is greater than any other being to grace this earth. Even Mohammed, whom you put higher than Jesus.

 

[Aasimar]

The simple answer is: Absolutely the prophetic teachings are Holy to me. What else would you say on this?

I would say that is not my duty nor anyone else's to respect someone else's beliefs. Just because you belief something without sufficient evidence does not mean I should be required to have respect for that belief. Doesn't mean that I would go out of my way to **** someone off. Anyone is entitled to their own supernatural wonderland, but the moment it steps on another human beings Actual life (i.e. hate of homosexuals, subordination of women, etc.) then it becomes a problem.

If you want to believe some words are holy, fine. But never attempt to tread on my right to believe they are garbage. Not that I'm saying you have, but that's the issue. As I said before, the key point here I believe, is that No one has the right to not be offended. Vegetarians are entitled to not eat meat, that doesn't mean I have to refrain from meat as well. You think an image of some words are sacred and would never defile them. I could care less about the kinda neat looking cacti. You think it's profane to compare a prophet to a dog's anus. I kinda consider drawing a little halo above it. Each is entitled to his opinion. I can't tell you not to believe, you can't tell me not to disbelieve.

Again I say it for clarity: I don't like it if someone says that a prophet is seen on a dog's butt.

I don't like claims people make based on ancient texts the infancy of mankind with horrid morality in them. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean I have the right to stifle it.

 

[FatMan]

Ok man if the connection between a dog's butt and a prophet's image makes no difference for you than I can just say one thing to you and that is because I love all the prophets whether its Moses(PBUH),Jesus(PBUH) or our own prophet Muhammad(PBUH).

Shame on you hundred and thousand times. Shame on you again and again.

This is what i wanted to tell you cause you are relating a pure prophets image with a dog's butt. Although Jesus wasn't sent for us yet he is a prophet of Allah and I love him and I can't tolerate it if you relate his pure and clean image with the butt of a dog.

Why should I care if you say shame on me once, twice or over a thousand times??

Here is the whole point of this thread - visual interpretation of religious symbols. You see it in a bean, and I see it in an anus. Why is an anus any less of a place to find a miracle than on a bean??

If one prescribes to Nature, then differences in the anus vs. the sky is moot. But this isn't about differences in Nature - it is in differences in perception. Whereas you see the word Allah all over the place and think it is a sign, I see squiggly lines that mean jack.

I think Smokey Robinson is more of a Miracle than anything presented on this thread.

 

[niceman20]

Here is the whole point of this thread - visual interpretation of religious symbols. You see it in a bean, and I see it in an anus. Why is an anus any less of a place to find a miracle than on a bean??

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Ok guys! If the dog's butt is something sacred for you that you can see your prophet on it, then there is no argument left, whatever I wanted to say I just said it above, enough is enough.

We muslims don't only present our miracle pictures, but our Holy Quran also carries scientific facts, which i will present in my next thread.

 

[McBell]

Ok guys! If the dog's butt is something sacred for you that you can see your prophet on it, then there is no argument left, whatever I wanted to say I just said it above, enough is enough.

We muslims don't only present our miracle pictures, but our Holy Quran also carries scientific facts, which i will present in my next thread.

Lest we forget the sacred bean, the sacred cactus, the sacred forest, and the sacred clouds

 

[summia]

No. Jesus was sinless as you and I agree. Adam sinned, not because of birth parents but because of choice. Jesus being sinless is greater than any other being to grace this earth. Even Mohammed, whom you put higher than Jesus.

Yes, jesus was sinless coz Allah has taken him up to the skies. He will came back!
He was in his youth when taken up at the time of crusifying.
i respect jesus but it is true that his life was short.

 

[niceman20]

Lest we forget the sacred bean, the sacred cactus, the sacred forest, and the sacred clouds

Upto you whether you forget it or accept it or not accept it, Islam doesn't force anyone to believe in it.

 

[niceman20]

Yes, jesus was sinless coz Allah has taken him up to the skies. He will came back!
He was in his youth when taken up at the time of crusifying.
i respect jesus but it is true that his life was short.

She was absolutely right!

Ok my christian brothers, I don't only respect Jesus , but I really love him and all the other prophets of Allah.

 

[McBell]

Upto you whether you forget it or accept it or not accept it, Islam doesn't force anyone to believe in it.

Tell that to all those who were killed merely because they would not convert to Islam.
I reckon they will tell a much different story.

 

[FatMan]

Ok guys! If the dog's butt is something sacred for you that you can see your prophet on it, then there is no argument left, whatever I wanted to say I just said it above, enough is enough.

We muslims don't only present our miracle pictures, but our Holy Quran also carries scientific facts, which i will present in my next thread.

Great response. Let me paraphrase: "I can't respond logically, so I'll use misdirection and talk about what is sacred". Is that about right??

 

[Wandered Off]

It seems to me "God was here" graffiti-type stunts would be a form of begging for human attention and rather beneath deity. If we think enough of ourselves to believe that God would want our attention, we are more likely to find ways to read that into observations.

We project God an ego and, by interpreting things as signs specifically for us, reveal our own.

 

[Mary23]

Tell that to all those who were killed merely because they would not convert to Islam.
I reckon they will tell a much different story.

NAME those person, Brother !
Putting ur argument about some thing in TWO lines does not matter....

That's the misconception about Islam..
IF they were killed then they were themselves came to fight with Muhmmad pbuh by saying, " We will not leave u alive Muhammad, we hav here to kill u and to perish ur religion"

DO U KNOW HISTORY????

 

[niceman20]

Tell that to all those who were killed merely because they would not convert to Islam.
I reckon they will tell a much different story.

Can you clarify that which specific event you are talking about?

 

[McBell]

"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13)

story of Abu Sufyan:

When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?"
Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that."
Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?"
Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul."
The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword."
Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.
(ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11; Chronicle of the Tabari, part 2, p. 157; Ibn Kathir, "The Prophetic Biography", part 3, p. 549, Ibn Kathir, "The Beginning and the End"; Ibn Khaldun, the rest of part 2, p. 43 and on; Al-Sira al-Halabiyya, Vol. 3. p. 18; Al-Sohaily, Al Road Al Anf, part 4, p. 90; Dr. Muhammad Sa�id Ramadan al-Buti, "Jurisprudence in Muhammad'�s Biography",7th ed., p.277)


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Surah 9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Yusaf Ali, Abdullah. The Qur'an Translation. Seventeenth US ed. Elmhurst, New York: Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., 2006. 114.

 

[JayHawes]

"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13)



story of Abu Sufyan:

When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?" ​

Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that." ​

Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?" ​

Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul." ​

The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword." ​

Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.​

Surah 9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Yusaf Ali, Abdullah. The Qur'an Translation. Seventeenth US ed. Elmhurst, New York: Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., 2006. 114.

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[neves]

"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13)

story of Abu Sufyan:

When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?"
Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that."
Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?"
Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul."
The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword."
Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.


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Surah 9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Yusaf Ali, Abdullah. The Qur'an Translation. Seventeenth US ed. Elmhurst, New York: Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., 2006. 114.

I like to congratulate you on misquoting 101… let me help you out… I am sure it was an honest mistake…

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."


Could you please cite “the story of Abu Sufyan”… you probably didn’t realize it, but you forgot to cite that story…


Okay as for the Quran quote you forgot the other important parts…

Sura Al-Tawba (Chapter 9) (Note: first 10 verses only)

“A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances.― (1) Go ye, then for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him. (2) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage― that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the pagans. If, then ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. (3) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those pagans with whom Ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous. (4) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (5) If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure: That is because they are men without knowledge. (6) How can there be a league before Allah and His Messenger, with the pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous. (7) How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked. (8) The signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done. (9) In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds. (10)”

Please do cite the Abu Sufyan story… thanks in advance...

 

[neves]

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Wait for him to cite that highlighted part before you give him a reaction…