Some questions about Christianity

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think you are taking my words out of context there.

The bible says Jesus is a god, and it says Satan is a god.

Do you not believe this?

The Bible says Jesus (the Word) is God. Your Bible (the New World Translation) has it changed. No other Bible translates it like that.

Satan is not a god. He is a fallen angel. The use of "god" in that verse is metaphorical. Do you seriously believe Satan is a god and that Jesus is a god apart from God? Then you're a polytheist.

 

[Pegg]

The Bible says Jesus (the Word) is God. Your Bible (the New World Translation) has it changed. No other Bible translates it like that.

Even the King James Version says, “The Word was with God.” (Italics ours.) Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person.

But there are other translations who render it as we do.
The interlinear word-for-word reading of the Greek translation in the Emphatic Diaglott reads: “In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.”

Satan is not a god. He is a fallen angel. The use of "god" in that verse is metaphorical. Do you seriously believe Satan is a god and that Jesus is a god apart from God? Then you a polytheist.

thats what the bible writers state. He is the god and ruler of this world.
Even Jesus calls him the ruler of this world.

the term 'god' is not hold a single meaning. It means a 'mighty strong' one.
Even powerful men in the bible are called gods.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Even the King James Version says, “The Word was with God.” (Italics ours.) Someone who is “with” another person cannot be the same as that other person.

The Father and the Son are not the same Person, yeah. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons with the same Essence.

But there are other translations who render it as we do.
The interlinear word-for-word reading of the Greek translation in the Emphatic Diaglott reads: “In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.”

That's a JW Bible. Try again.

thats what the bible writers state. He is the god and ruler of this world.
Even Jesus calls him the ruler of this world.

Do you understand metaphors? Satan actually doesn't rule anything. He only has any influence in so far as God allows him and how much humans allow him to influence them. God is the Ruler of the universe (or even multiverse, depending on if there's more than one). You think a fallen angel threatens the Creator's domain on one measly planet?

the term 'god' is not hold a single meaning. It means a 'mighty strong' one.
Even powerful men in the bible are called gods.

Satan is mighty and strong? I think you're giving him way too much credit. We're stronger than Satan, so are we gods, too?

 

[Pegg]

That's a JW Bible. Try again.

1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.

1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.

1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.

1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible—An American Translation, by J.*M.*P.*Smith and E.*J.*Goodspeed.

1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.

1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L.*Tomanek.

1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.

1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.

Do you understand metaphors? Satan actually doesn't rule anything. He only has any influence in so far as God allows him and how much humans allow him to influence them. God is the Ruler of the universe (or even multiverse, depending on if there's more than one). You think a fallen angel threatens the Creator's domain on one measly planet?

The bible gives us a lot of information about Satan.

He was the one who tricked Eve into eating the fruit in the garden of Eden. He orchestrated the death of Gods son. He leds a hord of angles into rebellion during the days of Noah and they co-habited with mankind and took women as wives.
Satan is also the one who brings false teachings and false religion to mankind.... its all of his making.

God will do away with him in good time, but until then he keeps most of mankind in spriitual darkness because they refuse to accept the word of God

2 Cor 4:3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


It is the bible itself which calls Satan the 'god of this world' ... that truth is uncomfortable so people prefer to be comforted by the lie.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

It means a 'mighty strong' one.
Even powerful men in the bible are called gods.

Not in the Greek it doesn't. Theos means god plain and simple.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.

1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.

1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.

1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible—An American Translation, by J.*M.*P.*Smith and E.*J.*Goodspeed.

1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.

1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L.*Tomanek.

1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.

1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.

Pegg, apparently the tactics you're using aren't new: BEWARE: Arian Biased Translations

I've never heard of any of these Bibles and I'm pretty knowledgeable about different Bibles. Many of the ones you quote don't seem to have been in English to begin with!

I am not impressed. As the link I provided said, you do seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

He leds a hord of angles into rebellion during the days of Noah and they co-habited with mankind and took women as wives.

This is not traditional doctrine. Angels do not have physical bodies and do not mate.

The Angels Of Genesis 6

God will do away with him in good time, but until then he keeps most of mankind in spriitual darkness because they refuse to accept the word of God

2 Cor 4:3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


It is the bible itself which calls Satan the 'god of this world' ... that truth is uncomfortable so people prefer to be comforted by the lie.

Satan does have the ability to confound and confuse but he is still not a literal god.

 

[Shiranui117]

Does not the bible name Satan as the 'god of this world'?

2Cor 4:3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through


Why would Satan be called the god of this system if it wasnt true?

Satan is no god. People treating him as one doesn't change that fundamental fact. Or are we to be polytheists, and ones who assert that whoever gets the most prayers gets the most strength and divinity?

Satan is a created being. He is not God, nor a god. The gods of the pagans are demons masquerading as gods, not real gods.

If you think Satan is seriously a god, then your position is incredibly precarious. The Israelites believed in other gods, too. And they constantly abandoned God in favor of these imaginary gods such as Baal and Asherah. If God is just one god among many, then there is absolutely nothing stopping us from asking these other gods for help instead of asking God.

 

[Desert Snake]

the term 'god' is not hold a single meaning. It means a 'mighty strong' one.
Even powerful men in the bible are called gods.

They're not called 'gods'. It's just a word that can go both ways.

 

[Desert Snake]

It is the bible itself which calls Satan the 'god of this world' ... that truth is uncomfortable so people prefer to be comforted by the lie.

Satan isn't a 'god'! Never was!

 

[Pegg]

Satan isn't a 'god'! Never was!

tell that to the Apostle John.
Its sad that people have left Christian doctrine in favor of foreign teachings.

Let me ask you one question about the temptations of Jesus that came from the devil satan.... ie

Matthew 4:8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”


If Satan did not control, or have authority over these kingdoms, could he have offered them to Jesus?

 

[Pegg]

Satan does have the ability to confound and confuse but he is still not a literal god.

what does 'god' mean?

 

[Desert Snake]

tell that to the Apostle John.
Its sad that people have left Christian doctrine in favor of foreign teachings.

Let me ask you one question about the temptations of Jesus that came from the devil satan.... ie

Matthew 4:8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”


If Satan did not control, or have authority over these kingdoms, could he have offered them to Jesus?

Satan didn't have 'control' over everything. He was able to manipulate within the realm of mankind. Satan was never a god, and certainly not of this world. God/Jesus created Earth, they gave stewardship to mankind, does it really make sense to you that Satan somehow became a god? This is really wild. You can't take every word in the same manner, if you do so, you'll have gods running all over the place.
Let me ask you this as well. If Satan is 'god' of this world, what does that make Jesus? Jesus to Christians is God, not Satan, obviously.
There are various 'gods', they are always called false, lesser etc., they have almost no power. We can even rebuke them and we're mere mortals, you have to be joking.
But, all that aside, if satan were 'god of this world', at least metaphorically s/he is, so what? What does that change? It changes nothing of course.

 

[Pegg]

Satan didn't have 'control' over everything. He was able to manipulate within the realm of mankind. Satan was never a god, and certainly not of this world. God/Jesus created Earth, they gave stewardship to mankind, does it really make sense to you that Satan somehow became a god? This is really wild. You can't take every word in the same manner, if you do so, you'll have gods running all over the place.
Let me ask you this as well. If Satan is 'god' of this world, what does that make Jesus? Jesus to Christians is God, not Satan, obviously.
There are various 'gods', they are always called false, lesser etc., they have almost no power. We can even rebuke them and we're mere mortals, you have to be joking.
But, all that aside, if satan were 'god of this world', at least metaphorically s/he is, so what? What does that change? It changes nothing of course.

not going to answer the question then. ok.

 

[Desert Snake]

not going to answer the question then. ok.

I did aswer it. Unless you actually think satan has power over Christians, your theory doesn't add up. Sure, s/he has limited power, it relates to kingdoms, of course. It is not 'godly' power, however, it is lower.

 

[Pegg]

I did aswer it. Unless you actually think satan has power over Christians, your theory doesn't add up. Sure, s/he has limited power, it relates to kingdoms, of course. It is not 'godly' power, however, it is lower.

The bible says he rules the 'entire' world. That includes its political and religious institutions. And why do you think Revelation speaks of 'Babylon the Great' and Jesus said that not all who claim to be his disciples actually are?

Read your bible.

 

[Desert Snake]

The bible says he rules the 'entire' world. That includes its political and religious institutions. And why do you think Revelation speaks of 'Babylon the Great' and Jesus said that not all who claim to be his disciples actually are?

Read your bible.

Satan isn't a god, period. That's how we KNOW it's metaphorical....see how that works? If it was something we didn't know, we wouldn't know if it's metaphor. You are really not reading the passages about satan correctly. Sin is everywhere, satan represents the world, see how that works? You can't read everything literally when it is CLEARLY metaphor.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

what does 'god' mean?

It is a metaphor for you giving something else the adoration that rightfully belongs to God alone.

 

[Pegg]

It is a metaphor for you giving something else the adoration that rightfully belongs to God alone.

which one?

Zeus, Molech, Baal, Allah, Buddah, Ashtoreth, Ra.... the list goes on. Do you have a particular god/God in mind?

 

[Shiranui117]

which one?

Zeus, Molech, Baal, Allah, Buddah, Ashtoreth, Ra.... the list goes on. Do you have a particular god/God in mind?

You can add Satan, money, sex, power, food, sports and work to that list of false gods, but take off the Buddha, because he's not a god in Buddhism.

Plus, are you seriously having to ask what God is worthy of adoration? I'd suggest cracking open your Bible. Here's a hint: He is the God Who created Heaven and earth from nothing, Who is the Lord and King of all, Who took on flesh and came to save us from our sins, Who alighted upon the Apostles at Pentecost, Who seated His Son at His right hand.

 

[Pegg]

You can add Satan, money, sex, power, food, sports and work to that list of false gods, but take off the Buddha, because he's not a god in Buddhism.

Plus, are you seriously having to ask what God is worthy of adoration? I'd suggest cracking open your Bible. Here's a hint: He is the God Who created Heaven and earth from nothing, Who is the Lord and King of all, Who took on flesh and came to save us from our sins, Who alighted upon the Apostles at Pentecost, Who seated His Son at His right hand.

ok, and what is his name?