some questions for muslims on this board

[A Troubled Man]

i suggest you to study islam for whole. find a right teacher. then you will know completely. god promise us that god will make it easy to study koran and haditt.

Then, you are obviously contradicting yourself if you say it's easy to understand but make sure you get a teacher.

I have heard that lame excuse so many times from indoctrinated Muslims who repeat it like a mantra when they can't find anything else to repeat from the Quran or Hadiths.

Just get on with the discussion.

 

[A Troubled Man]

I said I don't think you understand Islam. You framed your posts in such a way that gave me this impression.

This is your opinion based on lack of understanding.

It could easily argued you have no understanding of Islam. Lame excuse to stifle criticisms.

 

[F0uad]

I have some questions for muslims. Some of these can be generally applied to theists as well, some are more specific to islam.

1. Why does almost every description of allah/god also equal non-existence?
2. If nobody has seen allah/god why is "it" referred to as a male?
3. Why does allah/god need to bribe us into doing good deeds by promising us with "heaven"? Shouldn't we do good deeds for the pleasure of doing good?
4. The koran claims that allah/god gave 128,000 prophets. How much of a god is allah if all 128,000 prophets failed and then Muhammad with a final message?
5. Why can't allah/god heal amputees?
6. 1 of Allah's 99 names translates as the Deceiver. Why would you believe in any such deity?
7. Why are there so many specific hadiths about how to live your life? If there's no compulsion in religion should I be allowed to do what I want?
8. Why can men have four wives but women have to stick with one husband?
9. Why does god want you to walk counter-clockwise around Ka'aba and then run up and down the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah?
The Ka'aba was destroyed at least twice after muhammad's death. Why didn't allah send birds to protect the Ka'aba then?
10. How do you know muhammad (or any previous prophet like jesus, john the baptist, etc.) weren't narcissists? How do you know that they didn't suffer from mental disorders like schizophrenia, ADD, or that they weren't compulsive liars?

1. Because we cannot comprehend god?

2. My personally thoughts on this are that ''males'' are the leaders this can sound ridiculous and bad to other Muslims or Non-Muslims but i personally belief that a Male should lead the family, prayer, country and lead the woman to paradise. So i think the ''He'' is referred as a leading figure. But we do not belief he has a gender.

3. Yes we should but he gives us a extra to promote the Goodness.. for example if you got a kid that cleans up her/his room and you tell him/her that you will give a cookie after he/she is done wouldn't she be more committed into the cleaning?

4. Allah(swt) doesn't fail its humans that failed, he simply perfected his religion when the last messenger came as is told in the Quran.

5. ''He'' can do whatever he wants

6. That atrribute has actually a context what was referring to hes knowledge

7. Compulsion in religion means that you are not forced into it, the Hadiths and Sunnah are simply ways to discover of how the best example for humankind ever lived and how to follow hes teachings.

8. First of all the husband cannot ''simply'' marry more woman he has to ask permission and he has to treat the ''new'' wife in equality to the woman before, in islam sometimes a man have more rights but sometimes a woman have more rights. So my counter-question is why never mention that womans have more rights?

9. Those are two questions firstly i would say because the prophet did it, secondly destroyed what? huh..

10. Because of historical evidence that Mohammed(saws) never lied this is not only knowledge by hes companions, family but also hes enemies. Just imagine enemies saying that you are honest... that has to mean something right?

About John(p) its said in the scriptures he was a true prophet so we belief god?




Sorry for the mistakes if i made them i posted this with my iphone very fast.

 

[A Troubled Man]

i personally belief that a Male should lead the family, prayer, country and lead the woman to paradise. So i think the ''He'' is referred as a leading figure. But we do not belief he has a gender.

It is only after the male ego discard their misogynistic beliefs will there be any respect for women.

if you got a kid that cleans up her/his room and you tell him/her that you will give a cookie after he/she is done wouldn't she be more committed into the cleaning?

No, they'll only be committed to getting the cookie, which does not teach the child responsibility.

its humans that failed

Only when it comes to worshiping invisible sky daddies do humans really fail.

''He'' can do whatever he wants

But, does nothing as is observed.

First of all the husband cannot ''simply'' marry more woman he has to ask permission and he has to treat the ''new'' wife in equality to the woman before, in islam sometimes a man have more rights but sometimes a woman have more rights. So my counter-question is why never mention that womans have more rights?

No, the question should be why aren't humans treated equally when it comes to rights in Islam? Men should not have more rights than women.

Because of historical evidence that Mohammed(saws) never lied this is not only knowledge by hes companions, family but also hes enemies. Just imagine enemies saying that you are honest... that has to mean something right?

That would be the Appeal to Authority fallacy. We can assume Mohammed was indeed a compulsive liar considering he claimed to talk with an angel, by himself, alone, in a cave, with no one else around, completely isolated...

Swampland in Florida for sale!

 

[Gharib]

Pregnant women aren't allowed to have intercourse in Islam? Brother, where did you get that? If that's the case, I broke A LOT of rules.

Actually it seems I have misread, it is allowed but so long as it doesn't cause difficulty and harm to the wife. The link below explains.

Having Intercourse with a Pregnant Wife - Intimate relations - counsels - OnIslam.net

I should be more careful posting about things and have them turn out the opposite way. I will use links from now on. Thanks sister.

 

[sumaidi]

dear a troubled man..

it seem you don't know yet about islam. believe me, if you really try find god, you will. if you want to study koran and hadith, you will find it easy. this is not come from my opinion. god promise this. koran mention " god really make koran easy to learn".
why i suggest to find a right teacher? because a wrong teacher will give you a wrong explanation.. is there any a wrong teacher? Many. in my country many person teach islam but they lack of understanding. they don't really use koran and hadith. but believe me.. if you really really concern on it, god will show you..

it's better to understand islam for a whole first, then we discuss the topics. may god show we all the best way.

 

[F0uad]

It is only after the male ego discard their misogynistic beliefs will there be any respect for women.

Wow wait what? Respect for woman.. according to my sources and knowledge woman's in secularist states are offended, discriminated, raped, beaten and killed in a large proportion then anywhere were ''Islam'' ruled so don't even throw Religions in it, even in 1945/1990 the general belief was that Man should lead there family's heck even many Atheist belief the same way so its a personal opinion what has nothing to do with Islam. Like i said Woman's have more rights then Man it just depends on which ones you like to pick out.

No, they'll only be committed to getting the cookie, which does not teach the child responsibility.

Off-course not if you teach them something good and they get a bonus or a treat as a reward they will probably do it more often.

Only when it comes to worshiping invisible sky daddies do humans really fail.

Not this again is this the only thing what you have to say?

No, the question should be why aren't humans treated equally when it comes to rights in Islam? Men should not have more rights than women.

Again your quoted something what had nothing with what you replied to do with, i said they have equal rights but different ones. Sometimes the woman has more rights and sometimes the man has more rights (keep this in mind please just for once).

That would be the Appeal to Authority fallacy. We can assume Mohammed was indeed a compulsive liar considering he claimed to talk with an angel, by himself, alone, in a cave, with no one else around, completely isolated...

Swampland in Florida for sale!

Lol you know how idiotic the statement you made sound you accuse me of making a ''Appeal to authority fallacy'' while on the next sentence your just doing that. Do you belief that Historical evidence can be applied to a ''Authority fallacy''?

I can also assume that your a elephant with a pink hat riding a car.. would make that sense? Only if you can proof it right?

 

[K.Venugopal]

So you are not a Muslim. That which you stated about Islam is false then.

Dear Eselam, Two things. One, you know I am not a Muslim as we have been having conversations for years now. Two, the assumption that only a Muslim can have an opinion about Islam and opinions of non-Muslims are per se invalid is rather funny. Then why are we having religious debates? Wouldn't just listening and blindly following the Mullah at the pulpit be enough?

 

[F0uad]

Dear Eselam, Two things. One, you know I am not a Muslim as we have been having conversations for years now. Two, the assumption that only a Muslim can have an opinion about Islam and opinions of non-Muslims are per se invalid is rather funny. Then why are we having religious debates? Wouldn't just listening and blindly following the Mullah at the pulpit be enough?

Did you first study or looked up information regarding the term ''Mullah'' its not only used by Muslims but also by Jews. Following a Mullah is nothing wrong with its like following a Priest, Bishop, Imam or Rabbi but a Mullah is someone who has a higher degree it depends on the person himself what kind of conclusions he wants to make, in islam we cannot blindly follow people or our forefathers. Mullahs in my eyes should been seen as humble persons who devote there entire live studying Islamic teachings from A to Z.

 

[A Troubled Man]

dear a troubled man..

it seem you don't know yet about islam.

Here we go again.

uo believe me, if you really try find god, you will. if you want to study koran and hadith, you will find it easy. this is not come from my opinion. god promise this. koran mention " god really make koran easy to learn".
why i suggest to find a right teacher? because a wrong teacher will give you a wrong explanation.. is there any a wrong teacher? Many. in my country many person teach islam but they lack of understanding. they don't really use koran and hadith. but believe me.. if you really really concern on it, god will show you..

it's better to understand islam for a whole first, then we discuss the topics. may god show we all the best way.

Your time and effort are wasted and your post is utterly pointless and is little more than a petty excuse for having something of value to say.

As well, there is no such thing as a good or bad teacher of Islam considering Muslims rarely agree with other on the Quran and the Hadiths, like most believers of any religion.

Give it a rest.

 

[A Troubled Man]

Wow wait what? Respect for woman.. according to my sources and knowledge woman's in secularist states are offended, discriminated, raped, beaten and killed in a large proportion then anywhere were ''Islam'' ruled so don't even throw Religions in it

How sad, you're obviously just making stuff up. Show us those sources?

even in 1945/1990 the general belief was that Man should lead there family's heck even many Atheist belief the same way so its a personal opinion what has nothing to do with Islam. Like i said Woman's have more rights then Man it just depends on which ones you like to pick out.

LOL! A general belief? Try sticking to facts, instead. No, women do not have more rights than men, that is utterly laughable and quite dishonest.

Off-course not if you teach them something good and they get a bonus or a treat as a reward they will probably do it more often.

In other words, you're of the mindset that we should treat children like trained animals as opposed to teaching them responsibility. Wow!

Again your quoted something what had nothing with what you replied to do with, i said they have equal rights but different ones. Sometimes the woman has more rights and sometimes the man has more rights (keep this in mind please just for once).

The point is men and women should have equal rights, not more or less than the other gender. And please stop fabricating nonsense that women have more rights.

Lol you know how idiotic the statement you made sound you accuse me of making a ''Appeal to authority fallacy'' while on the next sentence your just doing that. Do you belief that Historical evidence can be applied to a ''Authority fallacy''?

There is no historical evidence whatsoever that supports Mohammad talking with an angel. That's utterly absurd.

I can also assume that your a elephant with a pink hat riding a car.. would make that sense? Only if you can proof it right?

Strawman.

 

[FearGod]

Women & Men in Islam

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Beauties of Islam - Equalities of Men and Women in Islam (Sheikh Yusuf Estes) - YouTube

 

[F0uad]

How sad, you're obviously just making stuff up. Show us those sources?

Let just take the great America for example:

Research In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner. That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner. And it only increases to the same study

Domestic violence can be defined as a pattern of abusive behavior in any relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over an intimate partner. According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, women experience about 4.8 million intimate partner-related physical assaults and rapes every year. Less than 20 percent of battered women sought medical treatment following an injury

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That's more than 600 women every day. Other estimates, such as those generated by the FBI, are much lower because they rely on data from law enforcement agencies. A significant number of crimes are never even reported for reasons that include the victim's feeling that nothing can/will be done and the personal nature of the incident.

the rest can be found here: Violence Against Women.

Now these are just specific years i wasn't even talking about 2years or 10years.. And if wanted i can add the other secularist-states on it to have a more extreme number of violence, rap and abuses.

LOL! A general belief? Try sticking to facts, instead. No, women do not have more rights than men, that is utterly laughable and quite dishonest.

Fail, i said that a man has to lead the family(and this idea is hold by many) not that woman's have less rights i actually said that Woman's has more rights so don't even try to lie. If you cannot separate that Woman's have more rights with less rights then i will stop replying.

In other words, you're of the mindset that we should treat children like trained animals as opposed to teaching them responsibility. Wow!

Was that really your conclusion? I was giving a example not a fact or how we should do it, it looks to me that your the child here who cannot use hes intellect for once, so what i was actually trying to tell you that i belief if you want to stimulate a person for doing good to reward him with good... can you agree or are you just playing games?

The point is men and women should have equal rights, not more or less than the other gender. And please stop fabricating nonsense that women have more rights.

In a sense women's and men have equal rights but not the same rights but as my understanding a women has just a little more.
Fabricating so you know more about my religion then me?

There is no historical evidence whatsoever that supports Mohammad talking with an angel. That's utterly absurd.

Strawman.

What has this to do with whatever i said... spamming the same message over and over while being refuted is ridiculous. Anyway re-read my previous post and see if you actually addressed the points i was making.

 

[Gharib]

Dear Eselam, Two things. One, you know I am not a Muslim as we have been having conversations for years now. Two, the assumption that only a Muslim can have an opinion about Islam and opinions of non-Muslims are per se invalid is rather funny. Then why are we having religious debates? Wouldn't just listening and blindly following the Mullah at the pulpit be enough?

My friend K.Venugopal. I know that you are a Hindu and not a Muslim. I also know that you know better than to make a statement about Islam like the one you did because it is false.

And I never said that you (or anyone who is not a Muslim) can't have an opinion about Islam, I don't know why you had to say that.

I simply made a question in relation to your statement.

 

[beerisit]

I never said you were misrepresenting Islam. I said I don't think you understand Islam. You framed your posts in such a way that gave me this impression.



This is your opinion based on lack of understanding.

If other Muslims are misrepresenting Islam I can't be blamed.
No my opinion is based on a very clear understanding.

 

[FearGod]

If other Muslims are misrepresenting Islam I can't be blamed.
No my opinion is based on a very clear understanding.

So you are scholar and you want the others to understand islam in better way,
we misunderstand you.

Dont worry about islam because the world is changing and many people around
the world had already choosed islam as their way of life and many are doing
the same in every single second.

if you believe in god,then you should realize if he wanted something to happen,
then no one can stop him,like pharaon when he tried to stop the message of god
by killing moses pbuh,but his story is well known,no body can stop tsunami if god
planned it to come.

But do not grieve over them, and neither be distressed by the false arguments which they devise [against God's messages]. (27:70)

And the unbelievers schemed [against Jesus]; but God brought their scheming to nought: for God is above all schemers. (3:54)

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Ex-Christian Yusuf Estes explains the miracle of pharaoh in the Holy Quran - YouTube

 

[beerisit]

So you are scholar and you want the others to understand islam in better way,
we misunderstand you.

Actually I respond to claims made by Muslims, including you. For you to claim that I don't understand what you have written is an indictment of you not me. Please be just a little honest in your posts.

Dont worry about islam because the world is changing and many people around
the world had already choosed islam as their way of life and many are doing
the same in every single second.

Oh my goodness people are converting to any given religion, that doesn't make your God real.

if you believe in god,then you should realize if he wanted something to happen,
then no one can stop him,like pharaon when he tried to stop the message of god
by killing moses pbuh,but his story is well known,no body can stop tsunami if god
planned it to come.

Well apparently your God wants as many people in hell as he has in heaven, isn't that so? I guess he is making that happen.

Really supplying another meaningless video is redundant.
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[A Troubled Man]

Let just take the great America for example:

Research In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner. That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner. And it only increases to the same study

But, you said a large portion compared with anywhere Islam ruled which is entirely fabricated. Domestic violence is a problem everywhere and Islamic states are no exception.

For example, in countries where Islam rules, domestic violence is pandemic. According to the World Health Organization, 15.0% of wives had been physically abused, 42.4% had been sexually abused, but of course, Iran, unlike the US, don't have the same resources or support for women when it comes to domestic violence. In Pakistan, the rate of violence against women is 80% where 67% of husbands were the perpetrators of and only 2% of those women sought support, simply because most women know there is no support. In Palestine, the rate is 50%. Saudi Arabia does not even allow statistics of violence against women to be made public.

In other words, we don't see the actual statistics of Islamic states because the men there don't allow them to be made public.

Sorry dude, but your claim is absolute bunk.

Fail, i said that a man has to lead the family(and this idea is hold by many)

Only the misogynist ego holds that idea.

not that woman's have less rights i actually said that Woman's has more rights so don't even try to lie. If you cannot separate that Woman's have more rights with less rights then i will stop replying.

You still fail to understand that as humans we all should have equal rights, not more and not less because of gender.

Was that really your conclusion? I was giving a example not a fact or how we should do it, it looks to me that your the child here who cannot use hes intellect for once, so what i was actually trying to tell you that i belief if you want to stimulate a person for doing good to reward him with good... can you agree or are you just playing games?

No, I'm not playing games, your idea of teaching children is the same as trained animals. Reward and punishment systems simply don't work in teaching children responsibility.

In a sense women's and men have equal rights but not the same rights but as my understanding a women has just a little more.

Yes, but your understanding is flawed and ridiculously detached from reality.

 

[F0uad]

But, you said a large portion compared with anywhere Islam ruled which is entirely fabricated. Domestic violence is a problem everywhere and Islamic states are no exception.


For example, in countries where Islam rules, domestic violence is pandemic. According to the World Health Organization, 15.0% of wives had been physically abused, 42.4% had been sexually abused, but of course, Iran, unlike the US, don't have the same resources or support for women when it comes to domestic violence. In Pakistan, the rate of violence against women is 80% where 67% of husbands were the perpetrators of and only 2% of those women sought support, simply because most women know there is no support. In Palestine, the rate is 50%. Saudi Arabia does not even allow statistics of violence against women to be made public.

Wooow serious dude your contradicting yourself i was the one who was pointing out that disrespect for woman's happen on all fronts while you were the one saying its because of religion re-read our posts like i told you before.

Where is your source which country are you speaking off.. I can quote the whole secularist world and come up with numbers so i don't see your reply being fair nor was it my point. I don't belief in the ''Sharia'' that Pakistan or any ''Islamic'' country is upholding right now, i belief in the Sharia that was implemented after Mohammed(saws) till late 1100.

In other words, we don't see the actual statistics of Islamic states because the men there don't allow them to be made public.

Sure even if they release official records you will say ''no they are not official''. I can say the same about America anyway your logic is to far behind... to bad.

Only the misogynist ego holds that idea.

Yeah sure lets label people, i was the one who claimed that Woman's should have more rights and do have more rights... so reconsider your post.. you know personal attacks do not help you in a conversation..

You still fail to understand that as humans we all should have equal rights, not more and not less because of gender.

Did i say something else? I said in a way they have equal rights but ''different rights'' but if we were to count them in the Islamic religion the woman has a certain numbers more.

No, I'm not playing games, your idea of teaching children is the same as trained animals. Reward and punishment systems simply don't work in teaching children responsibility.

Was i talking about responsibility or rewards and i wasn't even talking on what we should do i was giving a mere example what if applied it to animals would you be happy then... dude you do not understand the meaning of ''Example''?

Yes, but your understanding is flawed and ridiculously detached from reality.

I think yours is.. how funny

 

[sumaidi]

a troubled man you 're really "a troubled man"....

mr fouad, i think a troubled man never see and think about your post. he just want to win the debate. so what ever you give him arguments, he will always find reason to reply.

let's see the fact, where the big number of blue film come from? islamic country? doesn't it indicates violence against women?