oldbadger
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I think I have an extra definition to add:
God is all that is, including all that is not. The lot.
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Some say god...
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God is all that is, including all that is not. The lot.
Did you plop from another dimension? Did your previous dimension have stars, moon, etc that was able to think, feel and love? Now that you have plopped into this dimension, you don't know that this universe's stars and moons can feel, think or love?I don't know. They serve a purpose, don't they? How about you, do you think, feel and love? Are you a product of what is? If you, an expression of this Universe, thinks, feels and loves, is it safe to say such things originate from this Universe? I am assuming you didn't plop in from another dimension.
stvdv
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IMO: "God" is the ONLY ONE that exists (not changing) ... so, I might be a "non-atheist"
That ties to how humans can discover and convey a truth. If aliens exist, how will you know?
1) they choose to show up in front of humans
If on the other hand they have a reason to hide behind, then how will you know?
2) you have to rely on someone ever encountered the aliens to get to such a truth
Similarly, if God has a reason to hide behind, all left is for humans to get the truth from those who ever encountered Him. The Bible (not quran) stands a witness from those who encountered God, they are called the prophets because a God (someone is not a human) makes them speak prophetically, as humans themselves don't have such an ability.
chinu
chinu
Like, the way you believe I know answer to this question
Love God
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Quite the thinker you are.
I appreciate the sublime humour in question one...
It would seem that the real question here should be: Does absolute truth exist?
If it does not, why should anyone bother with any truth!
Let’s take it one step further... do away with the word truth and any definition behind it. Because ‘what I believe as truth can’t be known by you’... (aka: what is ‘right’ for me may not be ‘right’ for you...) Making truth arbitrary rather than absolute.
Think about that for a while...
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
Joy
Unveiled Artist
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Well, god means different things to different people. So far, I haven't found anyone who believes anything not strictly from that list. They don't like the words or the context in which I describe it but pretty much in the vicinity of worldviews.
Which definition of god are you an atheist of?
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Unveiled Artist
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I think I have an extra definition to add:
God is all that is, including all that is not. The lot.
The one that is all things? including that is not?
Unveiled Artist
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The second question. How did you come to that conclusion?
Unveiled Artist
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Like, the way you believe I know answer to this question
Huh?
stvdv
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That is from Advaita. Truth does not change. What changes, can't be the Truth. What is created is subjected to change, hence not the Truth
Unveiled Artist
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As a bible believer, how do you define truth that, according to the bible, can be true to each individual person?
Unless maybe other people have a different definition of truth that a bible believer holds?
Unveiled Artist
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Like, the way you believe I know answer to this question
I think you're an atheist, right?
What about the first question?
I'd hope people only answer questions they know they can answer.
Unveiled Artist
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Why doesn't truth change?
Wouldn't that assume there should be a fixed universe or one way of seeing things?
stvdv
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Love God
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Truth is not ‘personal’. The relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is personal.
I do not have to get truth from another man, religion, nor god(s).
The truth is absolute. I can go directly to the Lord for absolute truth. All by myself. As can anyone seeking the truth. (If absolute truth exists... do away with the Lord God Almighty and you don’t have to have any of those pesky ‘absolutes’. And one can define ‘truth’ for themselves...)
Joy
“So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge,
and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord,
and find the knowledge of God.”
Proverbs 2:2-5 KJV
Unveiled Artist
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How not?
stvdv
Veteran Member
No
From Advaita POV: Only God is real, as in unchanging. Universe is created and as such unreal (changing)
Unveiled Artist
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Each person's truth is personal to them, no?
Atheists don't believe without proof. Otherwise, they'd have to believe in Santa and Fred Flintstone. So, they don't believe in any aspect of God because, as far as they know, there is no proof that God (in any of God's versions) exists.
If psychic predictions are true, even an atheist would have to believe in psychic predictions.
A lot of Christians don't believe in psychic predictions. Yet , the bible contains a chapter called Revelation, which is said to be the psychic predictions of Saint John the Divine. Those were divinely (by God) inspired. Christians pick and choose what they want to believe in the bible. It makes no sense to believe what the bible says about God and ignore what the bible says about future events. Either the bible is true, or it is not true. If it is not true, then there is no written true word about God.
BIBLE'S PREDICTION OF FUTURE EVENTS:
Revelation is about two demons from hell inhabiting the bodies of two humans who rose to command the richest and most powerful nation in the world, which has been known for opulence, like pearl necklaces (according to the bible), and known for sexual misconduct (like the sex affair of George Herbert Walker Bush and British woman (Jennifer Fitzgerald) whom he made a secretary at the Central Intelligence Agency, which compromised national security). Those two demons, according to the bible, came from a smokey pit....the bottomless pit of hell, with a sulfur smell. Those two demons were the dragon (father, according to the bible), and the beast (the son, born of the father's mouth, according to the bible). Revelation 17:18 says that the most powerful nation in the world attacked Babylon, Iraq. Barbara Bush often mentioned her "simple pearl necklace" (like the opulent pearls mentioned in Revelation).
Modern preachers tell lies about Revelation. They say that the Babylon in Revelation is not the same as modern Babylon, Iraq. But, that is the same Babylon, and archaeological evidence proves that it has been a city for thousands of years and that it has been called Babylon all that time. Preachers are trying to deny that President W. Bush defied God and attacked Iraq, and this is why they are trying to deny the facts of Babylon. It says, in the bible (in Revelation) that anyone who alters the words or meaning of Revelation will be cast into the lake of fire of hell and written out of the book of life forever (does that mean no reincarnation?). Thus, a lot of modern preachers will be burning in hell for all eternity for altering the meaning of Revelation.
Revelation says that the United States (most powerful nation in the world that attacked Iraq) made a coalition of many nations in mere hours (which they did do). Revelation describes the war in Iraq with fire balls hurling through the sky (tanks and tank fire, and mortar fire). All of these things were impossible when Revelation was written, and have only been possible in modern times.
So, the Whore of Babylon is the United States of America (occupying and corrupting Iraq). The dragon demon was George Herbert Walker Bush. The beast demon was George W. Bush (his son).
Was the torture camp at Guantanamo an act of God or the action of a demon from hell? Was spying on phones (proven by Eric Snowden) an act of God (who knows everything), or an act of a demon from hell? Was the destruction of God's environment an act of God or an act of a jealous demon from hell who wants to destroy one of God's greatest creations? Were lies about torture (John Woo changing the definition of torture so that torture doesn't exist) an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was the destruction of the American economy an act of God or the act of a demon from hell? Was the killing (thou shalt not kill) in Iraq an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was defying God's commandment not to attack Iraq (in Revelation, for example Revelation 15 (seven plagues) as punishment for attacking Iraq) an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was hiding torture camps from the American voters an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Remember, hiding is like lying.
The bible also says that the Clinton administration was between the Bush senior presidency and the Bush junior presidency. The bible says that the administration that was (which is the Bush senior presidency) that is no longer (which is the Clinton presidency) is again (which is the Bush junior presidency).
In other words, Revelation happened as predicted, and that means that ESP (future predictions) is real. That verifies that aspect of the bible. Many psychics say that God is real. Therefore, one must conclude that God is real.
If psychic predictions are true, even an atheist would have to believe in psychic predictions.
A lot of Christians don't believe in psychic predictions. Yet , the bible contains a chapter called Revelation, which is said to be the psychic predictions of Saint John the Divine. Those were divinely (by God) inspired. Christians pick and choose what they want to believe in the bible. It makes no sense to believe what the bible says about God and ignore what the bible says about future events. Either the bible is true, or it is not true. If it is not true, then there is no written true word about God.
BIBLE'S PREDICTION OF FUTURE EVENTS:
Revelation is about two demons from hell inhabiting the bodies of two humans who rose to command the richest and most powerful nation in the world, which has been known for opulence, like pearl necklaces (according to the bible), and known for sexual misconduct (like the sex affair of George Herbert Walker Bush and British woman (Jennifer Fitzgerald) whom he made a secretary at the Central Intelligence Agency, which compromised national security). Those two demons, according to the bible, came from a smokey pit....the bottomless pit of hell, with a sulfur smell. Those two demons were the dragon (father, according to the bible), and the beast (the son, born of the father's mouth, according to the bible). Revelation 17:18 says that the most powerful nation in the world attacked Babylon, Iraq. Barbara Bush often mentioned her "simple pearl necklace" (like the opulent pearls mentioned in Revelation).
Modern preachers tell lies about Revelation. They say that the Babylon in Revelation is not the same as modern Babylon, Iraq. But, that is the same Babylon, and archaeological evidence proves that it has been a city for thousands of years and that it has been called Babylon all that time. Preachers are trying to deny that President W. Bush defied God and attacked Iraq, and this is why they are trying to deny the facts of Babylon. It says, in the bible (in Revelation) that anyone who alters the words or meaning of Revelation will be cast into the lake of fire of hell and written out of the book of life forever (does that mean no reincarnation?). Thus, a lot of modern preachers will be burning in hell for all eternity for altering the meaning of Revelation.
Revelation says that the United States (most powerful nation in the world that attacked Iraq) made a coalition of many nations in mere hours (which they did do). Revelation describes the war in Iraq with fire balls hurling through the sky (tanks and tank fire, and mortar fire). All of these things were impossible when Revelation was written, and have only been possible in modern times.
So, the Whore of Babylon is the United States of America (occupying and corrupting Iraq). The dragon demon was George Herbert Walker Bush. The beast demon was George W. Bush (his son).
Was the torture camp at Guantanamo an act of God or the action of a demon from hell? Was spying on phones (proven by Eric Snowden) an act of God (who knows everything), or an act of a demon from hell? Was the destruction of God's environment an act of God or an act of a jealous demon from hell who wants to destroy one of God's greatest creations? Were lies about torture (John Woo changing the definition of torture so that torture doesn't exist) an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was the destruction of the American economy an act of God or the act of a demon from hell? Was the killing (thou shalt not kill) in Iraq an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was defying God's commandment not to attack Iraq (in Revelation, for example Revelation 15 (seven plagues) as punishment for attacking Iraq) an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Was hiding torture camps from the American voters an act of God or an act of a demon from hell? Remember, hiding is like lying.
The bible also says that the Clinton administration was between the Bush senior presidency and the Bush junior presidency. The bible says that the administration that was (which is the Bush senior presidency) that is no longer (which is the Clinton presidency) is again (which is the Bush junior presidency).
In other words, Revelation happened as predicted, and that means that ESP (future predictions) is real. That verifies that aspect of the bible. Many psychics say that God is real. Therefore, one must conclude that God is real.