Some say god...

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Thought this would be an interesting topic if it becomes one. Got the idea from the "what is god's image" thread.

Some say god is the "one" that underlines all things.
Some say god is the "one" that is all things
Some say god is the "one" who created all things
Some say god is the the movement of the physical universe
Some say god is the spark of the physical universe
Some say god is the spark of life (one's soul)
Some say there are more than one god that represents the individual energies of all things and events
Some say god is Word (the dictation or oral law given to people)
Some say god is sound (the underlining note or individual tones of the universe)
Some say god is the aura we see in other people whether in colors or just a presence
Some say god is the one behind synchronicities while others synchronicities themselves
Some say god is only alive through tradition
Some say god is a title of different Greek deities
Some say god is the consciousness of the universe

Some say god...

Two main ideas occur to me looking at the list:

First, I feel compassion and sympathy for the theists who are so invested in believing in God but also feel such a sense of intellectual honesty that they feel like they have to reject traditional god-concepts, but still feel like they have to find something they can believe in to call "God" instead.

Second, I feel frustration and a bit of contempt for theists who can't step outside their narrow perspective and appreciate other points of view: "God is the most important thing in my life, so the most important thing in someone else's life is their 'god'."

It's as narrow and warped a perspective as someone who says "my favourite food is chocolate ice cream, so your favourite food is chocolate ice cream, too... even if your 'chocolate ice cream' is beef stroganoff and not ice cream at all."

It seems like both of these things can be present in what you say "some say" God is.

 

[Love God]

Each person's truth is personal to them, no?

How about this:
Is it ‘wrong’ to murder?

Or is it ‘wrong’ only because some other society, other than your own, says so.

Is murder ‘wrong’ across the board?
Or is it okay for someone else to be a murderer but murder may or may not be ‘right’ for you...?

What makes the idea of ‘murder’ absolute?

I can’t imagine any society that embraces the malicious murdering of its members as ‘good’.

So is the idea of ‘murder’ an absolute truth or just someone’s opinion?

Who decides? You? Me? The Murderer?

Joy


“Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[oldbadger]

The one that is all things? including that is not?

Yes. Maybe that's some kind of balance? I remember reading about God being all the something and all the nothingness.
At any rate I would like to include ' All that is, and all that is not'.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How about this:
Is it ‘wrong’ to murder?

Or is it ‘wrong’ only because some other society, other than your own, says so.

Is murder ‘wrong’ across the board?
Or is it okay for someone else to be a murderer but murder may or may not be ‘right’ for you...?

What makes the idea of ‘murder’ absolute?

I can’t imagine any society that embraces the malicious murdering of its members as ‘good’.

So is the idea of ‘murder’ an absolute truth or just someone’s opinion?

Who decides? You? Me? The Murderer?

Joy


“Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Murder depends on the society. Capitol punishment is murder but some societies don't see it that way. Some people say murder out of self-defense is justified but premediated murder is not. Yet, in both, someone looses their lives.

Each person seems to have their own truth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes. Maybe that's some kind of balance? I remember reading about God being all the something and all the nothingness.
At any rate I would like to include ' All that is, and all that is not'.

What is "all that is not"? Space?

 

[Love God]

Murder depends on the society. Capitol punishment is murder but some societies don't see it that way. Some people say murder out of self-defense is justified but premediated murder is not. Yet, in both, someone looses their lives.



Each person seems to have their own truth.

It seems you are proposing that ‘truth’ is arbitrary and 'no one can really know’?

??

How have you come to your beliefs? What makes them ‘truer’ than the next guy’s?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It seems you are proposing that ‘truth’ is arbitrary and 'no one can really know’?

??

How have you come to your beliefs? What makes them ‘truer’ than the next guy’s?

No. Not arbitrary. Only that people have their own individual truths.

No one person's truth makes it better than the other person's. Though many christians tend to think their truth is The truth and others are personal opinions; but, as a whole, I disagree with that approach. We know what's best for ourselves.

 

[Love God]

No. Not arbitrary. Only that people have their own individual truths.

No one person's truth makes it better than the other person's. Though many christians tend to think their truth is The truth and others are personal opinions; but, as a whole, I disagree with that approach. We know what's best for ourselves.

 

[Love God]

No. Not arbitrary. Only that people have their own individual truths.

No one person's truth makes it better than the other person's. Though many christians tend to think their truth is The truth and others are personal opinions; but, as a whole, I disagree with that approach. We know what's best for ourselves.

How does one ‘know what’s best for ourselves’?
(This one I am interested in your thoughts.)

Here is a question to ponder:
If all religions say they have the ‘truth’ and all vary and have differing beliefs, how does one distinguish who is lying and who is telling the ‘truth’? After all, all religions claim they alone have ‘the truth’.

Either all are lying or only one has the ‘truth’.
(For your musing only...)

Joy

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[Unveiled Artist]

How does one ‘know what’s best for ourselves’?
(This one I am interested in your thoughts.)

Here is a question to ponder:
If all religions say they have the ‘truth’ and all vary and have differing beliefs, how does one distinguish who is lying and who is telling the ‘truth’? After all, all religions claim they alone have ‘the truth’.

Either all are lying or only one has the ‘truth’.
(For your musing only...)

Joy

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I'm honestly not sure how to answer because if we don't know what's right for ourselves, then we'd always be depending on someone else to take care of us and make decisions for us. While it could be a cultural divide here, I think in many respects we can make our own decisions for our own well-being.

Each truth has it's own criteria to be defined as such. Since no one has the criteria to tell the difference in whose truth is ideally the best, we just have to accept each of us accept the truth that is best for us. Why does there need to be "one truth?"

I disagree they'd be lying because they have conflicting beliefs. Just some religions want to define the criteria of truth for other religions rather than be happy with the truth that works for them. To me, the issue isn't contradictory truths. I believe X, you believe Y. It only matters if people are being hurt by other people's truths. I see that a lot.

 

[oldbadger]

What is "all that is not"? Space?

I have read that it is not space, nor anything positively material.
Antimatter is not like normal matter. The negatives may balance the positives.... almost, and the difference produces our existence.

Hence 'God is all that is and all that is not'.

If you Google 'antimatter' the resulting websites and articles will just guide you on, and on.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have read that it is not space, nor anything positively material.
Antimatter is not like normal matter. The negatives may balance the positives.... almost, and the difference produces our existence.

Hence 'God is all that is and all that is not'.

If you Google 'antimatter' the resulting websites and articles will just guide you on, and on.

I'm not getting it. If god were a box, god would be the box and the empty space inside the box at the same time? (Excluding the dust, etc that make up the space since that's irrelevant to my question)

 

[Love God]

I'm honestly not sure how to answer because if we don't know what's right for ourselves, then we'd always be depending on someone else to take care of us and make decisions for us. While it could be a cultural divide here, I think in many respects we can make our own decisions for our own well-being.

Each truth has it's own criteria to be defined as such. Since no one has the criteria to tell the difference in whose truth is ideally the best, we just have to accept each of us accept the truth that is best for us. Why does there need to be "one truth?"

I disagree they'd be lying because they have conflicting beliefs. Just some religions want to define the criteria of truth for other religions rather than be happy with the truth that works for them. To me, the issue isn't contradictory truths. I believe X, you believe Y. It only matters if people are being hurt by other people's truths. I see that a lot.

What would hurt about absolute ‘truth’?
In the sense of if something is true, how could that be hurtful?

And I do mean absolute truth. Not like the truth that ‘your spouse hates you and has been cheating on you for 5 years’...

But the absolute truth of ‘committing adultery is always wrong’. (Yes. Part of the 10...)

Or the absolute truth of (maliciously) murdering. (Also part of the 10...)
I do understand ‘degrees’ of murder. But that would seem to boil down to a ‘standard’ somewhere... but where?!

Does a standard exist? Who has it? How do we know...

Yes. I was that ‘why’ kid... my parents went bald and grey early on in life. ‍‍

I am on a ‘need to know’ basis.

There are many truth claims out there. I wanted to know why those claiming truth had it and others did not.

After all, if someone claims they have the truth, they must have some proof and understanding that can be known?
If the truth holders know something, then why couldn’t I...

Yes. I still approach life asking why.

So is absolute truth hurtful? Not in my understanding. Doing those things like murdering your neighbor or cheating on one’s spouse... those are absolutely hurtful. That is why there is a ‘standard’ stating to not do those things...

And religion. Religion is the most absolute hurtful thing that ever kept any man down...
I am thoroughly convinced that religions are the absolute bane of mankind...

Anyway.
Always in search of the truth of the matter!

Joy

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not getting it. If god were a box, god would be the box and the empty space inside the box at the same time? (Excluding the dust, etc that make up the space since that's irrelevant to my question)

Not people do...... get it.
Not many people click on my version of Deism. Deism covers a wide band of ideas.

But it's how I see it, is all. I don't flog it to folks but I do talk about it at times.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not people do...... get it.
Not many people click on my version of Deism. Deism covers a wide band of ideas.

But it's how I see it, is all. I don't flog it to folks but I do talk about it at times.

I'm just asking for clarification. I'm not seeing a connection to my confusion and what you're saying.

That, and how does Deism relate to god being all and not all at the same time?

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't know. They serve a purpose, don't they? How about you, do you think, feel and love? Are you a product of what is? If you, an expression of this Universe, thinks, feels and loves, is it safe to say such things originate from this Universe? I am assuming you didn't plop in from another dimension.

I believe God made the earth, sun, stardust, etc. out of His goodness. But these entities don't think, feel, or imagine. They just 'are.: When God created Adam, he made him from the dust, or earth. God infused life into Adam's lifeless, unthinking, unfeeling body. Then, after the breath of life was put in Adam's body, he became alive. Until that point he (Adam) couldn't show love.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't know. They serve a purpose, don't they? How about you, do you think, feel and love? Are you a product of what is? If you, an expression of this Universe, thinks, feels and loves, is it safe to say such things originate from this Universe? I am assuming you didn't plop in from another dimension.

By the way, if I look in a microscope and see a molecule, I wouldn't think it shows love or hatred. Same with ants. Sometimes they crawl on my counter. I personally don't want them to be there. Do I think it's a personal attack against me? Or if they stay away would I think they love or hate me? No, I wouldn't. But take care.

 

[Salty Booger]

By the way, if I look in a microscope and see a molecule, I wouldn't think it shows love or hatred. Same with ants. Sometimes they crawl on my counter. I personally don't want them to be there. Do I think it's a personal attack against me? Or if they stay away would I think they love or hate me? No, I wouldn't. But take care.

Do you consider your existence to be on a higher plane than that of a molecule or an ant? Also, from where does your existence come?

 

[MikeF]

The problem with your list is that without further elucidation they are ambiguous at best.

My answer to your question is: all of them that I've encountered that came with a reasonably coherent definition and are not a pointless relabelling of something that obviously exists.

If you just say the word 'god' or, to take an example, "god is the spark of the physical universe", then I'm igtheist, rather than atheist.

Igtheist. This is what I love about these discussions. Someone is always going to teach you something new! Had to look it up. Thanks for the intro!

 

[rational experiences]

God O a stone philosophy. My human brother said so.

Born a human baby I get to think about his teachings. Human.

O God stone formed in vacuum womb space. God O presence.

No consciousness. No heavens.

Basic information.

Humans live inside heavens.

We own consciousness ability to think beyond just existing.

We can force changes by choice. Thinking.

Thinking lies.

I can only be conscious in the conditions that support conscious

Not O planet.

It's heavens.

The heavens support my life.

No God in correct thinking.

If I displace natural ownership. Then God by its definition science destroys me.

Learning. No God in reality. Just self natural human telling stories.

Stories can't hurt me. Science. Reactions however did.